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THE Corn Thread (merged)

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Re: Corn shortage coming?

Postby mcgowanjm » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 11:07:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'I') got this from a thread over at the ticker forum it is an excerpt from Kiplingers Business report.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')une and July will be exceptionally critical for U.S. corn.
If the growing weather is poor, the U.S. will run out of corn
before the 2009 crop arrives...unfathomable for the world’s top grower
of corn. Persistent spring rain severely delayed corn planting from Mo.
and southern Ind. and Ill. through Ohio and Pa., reducing overall acreage
to around 87 million acres, or 2 million acres short of what is needed
for livestock, exports and ethanol production until fall 2009. Worse,
tardy seeding means late maturity, shaving yields. Then, the same fields
may pollinate as summer heat reaches its peak...a huge risk for the crop.

Odds of market panic are 50-50 with June 30’s corn acreage report
from USDA, though nervous traders have already run the price over $6/bu.
USDA projects that even with a normal yield...impossible this year...
stocks will fall to a 21-day supply before Sept. 2009. That’s far below
the usual 100-day supply at the marketing year’s end just before harvest.
Growers are keeping their fingers crossed for normal weather
to avert severe shortages. They can take some solace in the fact
that the Southwest and the South will receive healthy rains once more.


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5. Emerson Trust Depleted
by Rebecca Bratter, USW Director of Policy

After releasing 260,000 MT in April and another 400,000 MT of wheat in May 2008, the Bush administration has now depleted the entire reserve of wheat held in the Bill Emerson Humanitarian Trust (BEHT). The wheat was sold in the U.S. market to generate cash to make up some of the loss in U.S. food aid program purchasing power due to soaring commodity costs. The cash was used primarily to purchase corn-based food products and vegetable oil for a number of African countries and Afghanistan but the majority will go to the World Food Programme's feeding programs in North Korea. A destination for foor aid generated by selling the remaining 135,000 MT last week has not been determined.

The U.S. wheat industry has always been and will continue to be the leading source of donations to feed the neediest populations around the world. Wheat is traditionally the most monetized commodity in U.S. food aid programs, with donations totaling 961,500 MT (US$208 million) in fiscal year (FY) 2007. While U.S. wheat industry strongly supports the administration's goal of maintaining current food aid programs to prevent rampant hunger worldwide, there is concern regarding the impact of selling reserve wheat on the domestic market and over the lack of commitment from the administration to replenish the BEHT. Additionally, the release of emergency funds before funding for the proposed supplemental of $850 million for FY 2008 for Title II and $395 million for FY 2009 is approved could reduce the final supplemental amount.

USW has shared these concerns with high officials at USDA and on the President’s staff and has asked about the Administration's intent regarding replenishment.

http://www.uswheat.org/wheatLetter/doc/ ... nDocument#

Bottom line:

We have no grain stockpile.
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Re: Corn shortage coming?

Postby biofuel13 » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 11:24:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', '
')Bottom line:

We have no grain stockpile.


Pretty soon we will be able to say.......

Bottom line:

We have no grain.
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USDA forecast: record corn yield in the U.S.

Postby lorenzo » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 12:35:41

The USDA's crop forecast is out:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')oybean Production Up 15 Percent from Last Year

Corn Production Down 6 Percent from 2007, but second highest production ever

Cotton Production Down 28 Percent from 2007

All Wheat Production Virtually Unchanged from July Forecast



And:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')orn production is forecast at 12.3 billion bushels, down 6 percent from last year but 17 percent above 2006. Based on
conditions as of August 1, yields are expected to average 155.0 bushels per acre, up 3.9 bushels from last year. If
realized, this yield would be the second highest on record, behind 2004. Production would be the second highest on
record, behind last year when producers harvested the most acres of corn for grain since 1933.


http://www.usda.gov/nass/PUBS/TODAYRPT/crop0808.pdf


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Re: USDA forecast: record corn yield in the U.S.

Postby Tyler_JC » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 12:48:28

So we're going to increase production over 2006 levels by 17% despite the massive flooding in a major corn growing region in June?

Impressive.

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Re: USDA forecast: record corn yield in the U.S.

Postby rdsaltpower » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 12:55:36

lol! the doomers seem doomed!
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Re: USDA forecast: record corn yield in the U.S.

Postby Homesteader » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 13:09:47

It will be interesting to see what the yield per acre is.
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Re: USDA forecast: record corn yield in the U.S.

Postby joewp » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 13:20:59

Um...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Corn Production Down 6 Percent from 2007


How can it be down by 6% but be a record yield? Last time I looked, the pertinent definition of "record" was "An unsurpassed measurement: a world record in weightlifting; a record for cold weather.", not something that is down 6% from last year.

Next we'll hear "Oil production set a record this year at 60mb/d, down only 7% from last year!"
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Re: USDA forecast: record corn yield in the U.S.

Postby joeltrout » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 13:44:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', 'U')m...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Corn Production Down 6 Percent from 2007


How can it be down by 6% but be a record yield? Last time I looked, the pertinent definition of "record" was "An unsurpassed measurement: a world record in weightlifting; a record for cold weather.", not something that is down 6% from last year.

Next we'll hear "Oil production set a record this year at 60mb/d, down only 7% from last year!"


Haha I am glad I wasn't the only one trying to figure that one out.

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Re: USDA forecast: record corn yield in the U.S.

Postby smallpoxgirl » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 13:55:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', 'H')ow can it be down by 6% but be a record yield?


Maybe he's talking about the 2007 harvest? :roll:
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Re: USDA forecast: record corn yield in the U.S.

Postby Cashmere » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 14:02:06

You figure with the Olympics g8oing and all that the OP would have a handle on how to determine whether a "record" h as been established.
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Re: USDA forecast: record corn yield in the U.S.

Postby FoxV » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 14:02:38

Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics

Yields are up but production is down. Sounds like less acres are growing but the ones that are are doing very well.

I'm suspecting that soy bean production increase is also a factor. Soy bean and corn production are only profitable if you rotate between the two from year to year. So a lot of fields that were corn last year have been switched out for soybean.

Yield is only relevant to an individual farm's profitability. At the end of the day, production is still down and the doomers are no more or less doomed than anybody else.

can anybody put this into perspective to demand growth from last year.
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Re: USDA forecast: record corn yield in the U.S.

Postby frankthetank » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 15:05:17

I'll wait until the combines are in the field before commenting.
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Re: USDA forecast: record corn yield in the U.S.

Postby Twilight » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 15:09:17

OK, so then we turn that corn into ethanol and burn it in our cars, right?
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Re: USDA forecast: record corn yield in the U.S.

Postby strider3700 » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 16:15:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'I')'ll wait until the combines are in the field before commenting.


You should also wait until the measurements of what the actual harvest was have been through their revisions. It seems like the new standard way of doing things is to estimate way to high and revise lower a few months later.
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Re: USDA forecast: record corn yield in the U.S.

Postby markcl » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 19:16:26

remember these numbers will not be proven entill Jan 2009, after J6pack has been suckered
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Re: USDA forecast: record corn yield in the U.S.

Postby cube » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 21:09:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joeltrout', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', 'U')m...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Corn Production Down 6 Percent from 2007


How can it be down by 6% but be a record yield? Last time I looked, the pertinent definition of "record" was "An unsurpassed measurement: a world record in weightlifting; a record for cold weather.", not something that is down 6% from last year.

Next we'll hear "Oil production set a record this year at 60mb/d, down only 7% from last year!"


Haha I am glad I wasn't the only one trying to figure that one out.

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Re: USDA forecast: record corn yield in the U.S.

Postby Homesteader » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 21:14:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', '
')Doom and gloomers are wrong, once again. But this has become a routine by now. 8)


Another example of deathless prose that shall live on in infamy.
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Re: USDA forecast: record corn yield in the U.S.

Postby copious.abundance » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 21:41:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', 'T')he USDA's crop forecast is out:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')oybean Production Up 15 Percent from Last Year

Corn Production Down 6 Percent from 2007, but second highest production ever

Cotton Production Down 28 Percent from 2007

All Wheat Production Virtually Unchanged from July Forecast



And:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')orn production is forecast at 12.3 billion bushels, down 6 percent from last year but 17 percent above 2006. Based on
conditions as of August 1, yields are expected to average 155.0 bushels per acre, up 3.9 bushels from last year. If
realized, this yield would be the second highest on record, behind 2004. Production would be the second highest on
record, behind last year when producers harvested the most acres of corn for grain since 1933.


http://www.usda.gov/nass/PUBS/TODAYRPT/crop0808.pdf


Doom and gloomers are wrong, once again. But this has become a routine by now. 8)

Lorenzo, from one cornucopian to another, if you want credibility, you would not title a thread "record corn yield in the U.S." when in fact we're only talking about the second-largest corn yield in the US.

I've also already reported this on wisconsin_cur's thread "food crisis 2" thread, so I'm not sure why the need to repeat it.
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Re: USDA forecast: record corn yield in the U.S.

Postby Pops » Thu 14 Aug 2008, 10:30:26

Yea, great news, corn futures are only up 70% from this time last year.

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