[maverickdoc]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'M')averickdoc, You'd be amazed at what you can do with a little wax paper, cheese cloth and string!

Just razzing you. There's going to be some terrible difficulty. It's going to be a Rolling Stone correction---as in, "You don't always get what you want, you get what you need"

If there are ANY positives at all, people will be forced into real community and that's what they need.

[tokyo_to_motueka]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ozkrenske', '
')I also have a small number of chickens in a large pen (I can easily handle 20+ chooks, but have only 6, mainly for eggs and fertilizer.)

[MonteQuest]

This is the best personal account of the Great Depression I have ever read. A glimpse from the past for a view of the future.

MY MEMORIES OF THE GREAT
DEPRESSION, 1929 TO 1939.
http://www.rinfret.com/depression.html

[Permanently_Baffled]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'T')his is the best personal account of the Great Depression I have ever read. A glimpse from the past for a view of the future.

MY MEMORIES OF THE GREAT
DEPRESSION, 1929 TO 1939.
http://www.rinfret.com/depression.html

[oowolf]

re: Rinfret. Gawd, what lousy luck. Remind me not to complain. Just a few days ago I spoke with a 90 year old man who, as a 15 year old, made railroad ties during the GD--with a broad axe--for 25cents a DAY. He'd collect his 25cents, buy a pack of smokes (Spud brand) for 5cents and a dinner for 15cents. Get up the next day and do it again-for years.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
') It's going to be a Rolling Stone correction---as in, "You don't always get what you want, you get what you need"

[MonteQuest]

History may soon repeat itself.

Last Orders For The US Dollar?

[quote]At the time of the 1929 stock market crash, total US credit was 176 percent of Gross Domestic Product. In 1933 with GDP imploding and the real value of debt rising even faster, total credit rose to 287 percent of what was left of GDP. (Irving Fisher described the collapse of GDP as a function of price deflation, which raised the real burden of debts, as firms and households shed assets and reduce expenditures in order to pay down debt. But these acts of liquidation by all economic agents pushed prices yet lower, which in turn raised the real debt burden further and caused further economic implosion.) In 2000 at the top of the late bull market, total credit was 269 percent of GDP. An extraordinary statistic to be sure, but dwarfed by today's figure, in which total credit stands at a whopping 304 percent of GDP, according to a recent study by fund manager Trey Reik of Clapboard Hill Partners.


The obvious answer in such circumstances would be to restrain US consumption. But were Americans to begin to significantly pare their debt burdens, aggregate demand would likely collapse and trigger something not unlike what Fisher described in the 1930s. A world war was ultimately the means by which the US economy emerged from the ravages of the Great Depression. But with the country already overstretched by current military operations (and possibly more to come in spite of President Bush’s protestations to the contrary last week in Germany), America’s “big stickâ€

[somethingtosay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'T')his is the best personal account of the Great Depression I have ever read. A glimpse from the past for a view of the future.

MY MEMORIES OF THE GREAT
DEPRESSION, 1929 TO 1939.
http://www.rinfret.com/depression.html

[drew]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut it would be more effective to give everyone a car and lower the driving age. More people have died in auto crashes than all the wars combined since the Revolutionary War.

[Trab]

Perhaps Monte is referring to total US casualties, which would be much lower overall in several of the conflicts you listed.

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut it would be more effective to give everyone a car and lower the driving age. More people have died in auto crashes than all the wars combined since the Revolutionary War.

[Wildwell]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_repo ... /47357.stm

Back in 98 in was estimated that 20 million people had been killed. So I guess the total is 27 million now.

But estimates are that as many as 50 million people are injured worldwide on roads.

http://www.mercola.com/2004/may/1/automobile_deaths.htm

As many people have their life rendered useless after road accidents it seems a pretty good killing machine to me.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('drew', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut it would be more effective to give everyone a car and lower the driving age. More people have died in auto crashes than all the wars combined since the Revolutionary War.

[Denny]

The traditional mixed farms were a refuge back in the 30's, but today is whole different story. Due to specialization, most farmers would face rough times today, not so different than city folk. And, the input prices for farm crop production are much higher now, as a percentage of the crop value, for specialized fertilizers, herbicides and most notably fuel.

Another big difference is that most of North America was only one generation removed fomr farming, and aobut 20%to30% of the popultion was rural then. Most everyone had close family connections to farming, and not today. Who would most of us visit today if we were in desperate straits for food?

Even back in the 30's, my mother's family suffered a lot as they were wheat farmers in Saskatchewan, and the climate there really limited what you could grow in a garden. Wheat prices nosedived. Strange to say, but many farmers out there suffered greatly. Just like the "Okies" in the U.S.A. Saskatchewan's population dropped a lot in the period 1929 to 1939, and in fact it has never recovered even to this day.

[Jagger]

Don't forget salt for perservation of meats and pickling of vegetables and fruits.

And how do you store seeds??

It would be useful if there were a section on this site about raising food using traditional methods.

[Chuckmak]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')
But to answer your question: China.

[Chuckmak]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'H')ey, no one says it has to make sense. Why is it they spend millions (at least here in Canada) to get people to quit smoking but make it ok to smoke pot???

[Ranglepung]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oowolf', 'I') walk to work. Everyone in this end of the county knows "that crazy guy that walks everywhere". Why does he walk?---that's all it takes to be labelled "crazy" in Amerika the braindead.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ranglepung', '
')Eventually they had to stop doing this for the looks and gossip.

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

I can't get over the offers to use their car if his had broken down. I get this a lot. Even before PO I only usually put my car ont eh road in the summer so we can go campoing or to the beach.

I don't need it for anything else. One of my girls hurt her knee at school so when I came to pick her up they offered to drive us home and I said no thanks, put her on my shoulders and off we went.

Back in Victorian England, "Gentlemen" were not to be seen working, any implication that they did any work was strictly avoided because it wasn't gentile. I think that as well as living like kings in huge houses we've taken on that kind of thought pattern.

I don't think the majority of people know what they are capable of anymore.Some of us really have lost ourselves but now its also unfashionable to re-find it.