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The peak oil crisis: Alarms are sounding

Postby Newsseeker » Thu 17 May 2007, 08:24:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')cross the world alarm bells are starting to clang. Above every gas station, a large sign is proclaiming that prices are on an unstoppable climb towards un-affordability. In Paris, the International Energy Agency has announced that the demand for oil is likely to exceed the supply later this year, unless, of course, OPEC steps up production. In the Middle East OPEC spokesmen reiterate time after time that all is well, there is plenty of oil, and there is no need to increase production.

In Ottawa, a parliamentary hearing on energy security broke up in turmoil last week when a distinguished professor pointed out that, unless Canada stopped selling 60 percent of its oil to the US, Canadians would soon be “freezing in the dark.” In Nigeria, Chevron is evacuating hundreds of employees to forestall the possibility that they too will be hauled off to the swamps as hostages in an increasingly bitter insurgency. The Chinese just announced that their April oil imports were 23 percent higher than last April’s. Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela -- everywhere you look – there are unmistakable warnings of troubles to come.


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Re: The peak oil crisis: Alarms are sounding

Postby manu » Thu 17 May 2007, 08:35:42

Yes, the oil isnt so cheap when you need an army or navy to protect the oil platforms. The gap between the haves and have nots is wide enough now that all the big corporations are targets. They may be somewhat safe in the U.S. and a few Euro countries for now, but everywhere else they are under attack. All that bad karma coming back around.
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Re: The peak oil crisis: Alarms are sounding

Postby dinopello » Thu 17 May 2007, 10:38:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n Ottawa, a parliamentary hearing on energy security broke up in turmoil last week when a distinguished professor pointed out that, unless Canada stopped selling 60 percent of its oil to the US, Canadians would soon be “freezing in the dark.”


Don't worry Canadians, we will send you a plethora of Walmarts where you can buy Chinese-made blankets and hand-crank LED flashlights. Cutting off the oil might precipitate us sending in something else.
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Re: The peak oil crisis: Alarms are sounding

Postby KevO » Thu 17 May 2007, 10:54:01

First thing that will happen is that you'l have a Jericho type situation with Canadiand blockading roads to the border and not moving until the tankers are turned back and guess what, they'll have the suport of the entire Canadian population.

Do you think, if such a scenario were to ever occur, that the US would send it's NG or Marines into Canada to get the fuel it has paid for?

Either way, a gas crisis in the US could be the collapse of the Canadian goverment

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Re: The peak oil crisis: Alarms are sounding

Postby KevO » Thu 17 May 2007, 10:56:01

great seeking and finding Newseeker.
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Re: The peak oil crisis: Alarms are sounding

Postby jdmartin » Thu 17 May 2007, 11:52:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n Ottawa, a parliamentary hearing on energy security broke up in turmoil last week when a distinguished professor pointed out that, unless Canada stopped selling 60 percent of its oil to the US, Canadians would soon be “freezing in the dark.”


Don't worry Canadians, we will send you a plethora of Walmarts where you can buy Chinese-made blankets and hand-crank LED flashlights. Cutting off the oil might precipitate us sending in something else.


:lol: :lol: :lol: Nice!
After fueling up their cars, Twyman says they bowed their heads and asked God for cheaper gas.There was no immediate answer, but he says other motorists joined in and the service station owner didn't run them off.
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Re: The peak oil crisis: Alarms are sounding

Postby dinopello » Thu 17 May 2007, 12:23:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', 'D')o you think, if such a scenario were to ever occur, that the US would send it's NG or Marines into Canada to get the fuel it has paid for?


I could be wrong, but my understanding is that Canada is somehow treaty-bound to sell us certain percentages of oil and NG. Bust a deal, face the wheel in bartertown.
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Re: The peak oil crisis: Alarms are sounding

Postby killJOY » Thu 17 May 2007, 12:37:37

The peak oil crisis: Alarms are sounding

And the firehouse is empty. No one's coming to save us.

Not even the inflatable cowboy.
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Re: The peak oil crisis: Alarms are sounding

Postby oil4u » Thu 17 May 2007, 12:53:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', 'F')irst thing that will happen is that you'l have a Jericho type situation with Canadiand blockading roads to the border and not moving until the tankers are turned back and guess what, they'll have the suport of the entire Canadian population.

Do you think, if such a scenario were to ever occur, that the US would send it's NG or Marines into Canada to get the fuel it has paid for?

Either way, a gas crisis in the US could be the collapse of the Canadian goverment

one to watch.
if only your TV and Internet still worked


You should definitely read this book by Ret. Cdn. General Richard Rohmer. Exxoneration (US invades Canada for its oil) Written in the 70's and part of a 3 part series.
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Re: The peak oil crisis: Alarms are sounding

Postby ChadP » Thu 17 May 2007, 13:06:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', '
')I could be wrong, but my understanding is that Canada is somehow treaty-bound to sell us certain percentages of oil and NG. Bust a deal, face the wheel in bartertown.
:) Bartertown? where is that?


It's just beyond the Thunderdome. ;)

And yeah - NAFTA put those percentages in place. The push for NAFTA here makes a lot more sense now... from the US point of view that is.
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Re: The peak oil crisis: Alarms are sounding

Postby TreebeardsUncle » Thu 17 May 2007, 14:06:09

Ok. The alarms may be sound but business as usual can go on for decades still. Also, there was an article in the paper today that a big superhighway is going to be built from Mexico through the US to Canada and there has also been news talking about allowing Mexican truck drivers to drive through the US.
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Re: The peak oil crisis: Alarms are sounding

Postby AirlinePilot » Thu 17 May 2007, 14:28:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TreebeardsUncle', 'O')k. The alarms may be sound but business as usual can go on for decades still.


Excuse me? Business as usual? Are you in the market for some real estate?? I've got a great deal for you!

I believe we will be extremely lucky to have anything resembling business as usual for more than another year, at the outside, maybe two. The current paradigm cannot be maintained.
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Re: The peak oil crisis: Alarms are sounding

Postby vision-master » Thu 17 May 2007, 14:46:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TreebeardsUncle', 'O')k. The alarms may be sound but business as usual can go on for decades still.


Excuse me? Business as usual? Are you in the market for some real estate?? I've got a great deal for you!

I believe we will be extremely lucky to have anything resembling business as usual for more than another year, at the outside, maybe two. The current paradigm cannot be maintained.


Nothing has changed around here. Building is still going on like madd, roads are being updated. Traffic is still 24/7. Everyone headed North for opening fishing. People are still buying SUV's and boats. Gas is more expensive, that's the ONLY change.
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Re: The peak oil crisis: Alarms are sounding

Postby KevO » Thu 17 May 2007, 14:51:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'o')te]

Nothing has changed around here. Building is still going on like madd, roads are being updated. Traffic is still 24/7. Everyone headed North for opening fishing. People are still buying SUV's and boats. Gas is more expensive, that's the ONLY change.


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Re: The peak oil crisis: Alarms are sounding

Postby Eli » Thu 17 May 2007, 14:56:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TreebeardsUncle', 'O')k. The alarms may be sound but business as usual can go on for decades still.


Excuse me? Business as usual? Are you in the market for some real estate?? I've got a great deal for you!

I believe we will be extremely lucky to have anything resembling business as usual for more than another year, at the outside, maybe two. The current paradigm cannot be maintained.


Nothing has changed around here. Building is still going on like madd, roads are being updated. Traffic is still 24/7. Everyone headed North for opening fishing. People are still buying SUV's and boats. Gas is more expensive, that's the ONLY change.


This quiet true. Things have not yet changed we here do see something coming though.

If this summer gas shortages appear things will change drastically in a hurry. People won't buy boats, they won't buy SUV's or trucks they won't buy that new house that is a great deal now. What they will do is hope and pray prices come back down and they will gladly pay 4.00 bucks a gallon for gas when the station finally gets some. But there will be lots and lots of angry people.
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Re: The peak oil crisis: Alarms are sounding

Postby Leanan » Thu 17 May 2007, 15:08:24

Apparently, Matt Simmons was at an APSO meeting last night, and told people he thought there was a 60-70% chance we would have gasoline rationing this year. 90% chance if there's a Gulf hurricane.
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Re: The peak oil crisis: Alarms are sounding

Postby Fiddlerdave » Thu 17 May 2007, 16:49:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('manu', 'Y')es, the oil isnt so cheap when you need an army or navy to protect the oil platforms. The gap between the haves and have nots is wide enough now that all the big corporations are targets. They may be somewhat safe in the U.S. and a few Euro countries for now, but everywhere else they are under attack. All that bad karma coming back around.

The rise of numerous terrorism laws coincides with the rise of populaces reaching the end of their rope and taking direct action against the installations that have taken control of their local resources. Exploitation of oil, water, coal, various agriculture (farms of destructive GMO crops that invade the local farmers' crops which then result in the GMO owners suing the local farmers and taking their lands) all can end a local populace's ability to survive, yet they receive no benefit from these endeavors. If these locals take direct action (even protests other non-violent actions), they and any supporters (food stores, banks, neighbors, NGO's or charity oganisations trying to help by simply supplying food or survival) can all be prosecuted under our new terrorist regulations.

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Re: The peak oil crisis: Alarms are sounding

Postby one_more_day » Thu 17 May 2007, 16:53:47

[/quote]Nothing has changed around here. Building is still going on like madd, roads are being updated. Traffic is still 24/7. Everyone headed North for opening fishing. People are still buying SUV's and boats. Gas is more expensive, that's the ONLY change.[/quote]


I just thought I'd make a list of changes that I see in my area. I live in a poor neighborhood, so I will most likely see changes sooner than those of you in wealthier areas.

1. Neighbor chooses to walk to the grocery store. In general, I see a lot more people walking, biking than a year ago.

2. Non-PO aware people calculating the gas cost of each little trip and planning accordingly.

3. Another nieghbor works for a fresh food distributor. Their drivers are being warned that rural areas in Nebraska are facing tight supplies, and therefore to go out on such deliveries with full tanks.

4. Car lots selling used SUVs for less than half their Blue-book value, while "economy" cars are at a premium and selling like hotcakes.

5. State road work being put on hold because the gas tax revenues are much less than expected.

6. Prices at the grocery store are going UP, UP, UP.

7. Part of my husband's job involves unloading trailers for his company. He says that the suppliers are packing about 50% more into each trailer, making his job much harder and more dangerous.

8. I recently drove to Colorado and everyone I talked to thought I was crazy. People in my neighborhood are still going on vacation, but they are planning to travel shorter distances and choosing cheaper lodging etc.

Of course there are many more signs or oil's affect on is all. I would like to hear from others who are seeing change in their communities.
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Re: The peak oil crisis: Alarms are sounding

Postby Twilight » Thu 17 May 2007, 17:00:55

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