[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('3aidlillahi', ' ')There was an TV show that we watched in Arabic class a few years ago, with subtitles, and it was about the execution of Saddam. There was a moderator, a Sunni and a Shi'a. The Sunni praised Saddam and the other didn't. Rather than talking along religious terms, it was ethnic and cultural.

[Cid_Yama]

I don't understand these arguments between individuals where neither knows what they are talking about and neither one goes to look it up.
Origins of the Shia-Sunni Split

Also, what does this have to do with Israel and Hamas?

[3aidlillahi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') don't understand these arguments between individuals where neither knows what they are talking about and neither one goes to look it up. Origins of the Shia-Sunni Split

[Cid_Yama]

<b>Peace talks halted: Syria</b>

Indirect peace talks between Israel and Syria have been halted due to the Jewish state’s “aggression” in Gaza, a senior Syrian official said yesterday.
“It’s the Israeli aggression in Gaza which has closed the door on all activity in the political process” between Syria and Israel, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
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<b>Israeli Troops Mobilize As Gaza Attacks Widens</b>

Israel widened its deadliest-ever air offensive against Gaza's Hamas rulers Sunday, pounding smuggling tunnels and a central prison, sending more tanks and artillery toward the Gaza border and approving a reserves callup for a possible ground invasion.

Israeli leaders said they would press ahead with the Gaza campaign, despite enraged protests across the Arab world and Syria's decision to break off indirect peace talks with the Jewish state. Israel's foreign minister said the goal was to halt Gaza rocket fire on Israel for good, but not to reoccupy the territory.

With the two-day death toll climbing above 290 Sunday, crowds of Gazans breached the border wall with Egypt to escape the chaos. Egyptian forces, some firing in the air, tried to push them back into Gaza and an official said one border guard was killed.
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<b>Hezbollah fighters placed on alert</b>

Hassan Nasrallah, the secretary-general of Hezbollah, has told his fighters to be on alert for any possible Israeli attack on Lebanon following raids on Gaza that have killed nearly 300 Palestinians.

Nasrallah told a gathering in Beirut's southern suburbs that the Israeli assault on Gaza was a carbon copy of its attacks on Lebanon during a 34-day war with Hezbollah in 2006.

Speaking via video link for security reasons, Nasrallah said Israeli forces had gone on alert along the border with Lebanon since Saturday when the attack on Gaza began.

He said the Israelis were either taking precautionary measures or preparing for an attack in an attempt to avenge its failure to destroy Hezbollah in 2006.

"We are ready to face any aggression on our land, our country or our dignity," he said.
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<b>Israeli warplanes fly low over south Lebanon</b>

At least five Israeli warplanes on Sunday flew low over south Lebanon, already the target of an overnight reconnaissance flight, a Lebanese security official said.

"At least five aircraft overflew the Bint Jbeil region (south of Beirut) and headed for the port town of Tyre" farther north, the official told AFP.

The security official said an Israeli MK-type reconnaissance aircraft flew over the south all night until dawn broke.

Tension remains high in the region two years after the 34-day summer war in 2006 between Israel and Lebanon's Shiite Hezbollah movement which devastated the south of the country.

Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah, who is expected to speak later on Sunday about the deadly Israeli air attacks on Gaza, has threatened to "destroy" Israel if a new conflict erupts.

Israel says Hezbollah has "tripled its firepower" since the 2006 conflict and has pledged to attack Lebanese civilian locations in the event of renewed hostilities.

Israeli flights over Lebanon are in breach of UN Security Council resolution 1710, which in August 2006 ended the Israel-Hezbollah war.
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[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('3aidlillahi', 'I')'m getting myself confused just thinking about it since almost no case is similar to another.
The biggest issue, though that I'd say, is power. Everyone wants it, few have it.

[Nickel]

You know what, I'm so sick of this, I'm gonna say it. I really hope someone kicks Israel's ass. I don't mean drive them into the sea or anything, but just whispers in their ear "remember, thou art mortal", and brings them to the negotiating table for REAL, not for SHOW, and makes them hand something back for the sake of the peace and security that weapons are really never going to give them. They have to give the Palestinians a state and back off, FOR GOOD; or else let them participate 100% in the life and governance of Israel. They have to give back the Golan Heights and the West Bank and stop acting like Lebanon is waste ground on the other side of a fence they can just dump their shit buckets into as they please. If it comes to it, I hope they get the bloody nose and the smile with missing teeth this time. They need some bringing down before they bring us ALL down.

[Cid_Yama]

<b>Saudi Cleric Issues Fatwa Urging Attacks on Israelis</b>

A prominent Saudi cleric, Sheikh Awad al-Qarni, called in a religious edict on Sunday for attacks on Israelis everywhere in retaliation for the ongoing Israeli attacks against Palestinians in the Gaza strip.

"All (Israeli) interests, and anything else related to Israel, are a permitted target for Muslims everywhere," said Sheikh al-Qarni in a fatwa, or religious edict. "They (Israelis) should become targets. Their blood should be shed as the blood of our brothers in Palestine has been shed," he said.

"They should feel pain more than our brothers," the cleric added. "This is a fatwa that I am responsible for in front of Allah," Sheikh Qarni said on the Islam Online website.
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<i>This is spreading beyond Gaza. I can see no good coming from this.</i>


<b>Israeli tanks mass near Gaza as jets again pound Hamas</b>

Israeli tanks massed at the Gaza border on Sunday as warplanes again pounded Hamas targets in the densely populated enclave where raids have killed nearly 290 people in less than two days.


Dozens of tanks and personnel carriers idled at several points near the border after Israel warned it could launch a ground offensive in addition to its massive air blitz.

Israel's cabinet gave the green light to call up 6,500 reserve soldiers, a senior official told reporters after the meeting.

And the UN envoy to the Middle East Robert Serry called for a new truce with international backing, telling AFP in an interview that there was no military solution to the conflict.

But a senior Israeli official insisted: "We have our goals and our timetable, and we don't seek mediation."
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[3aidlillahi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his is spreading beyond Gaza. I can see no good coming from this.

[Cid_Yama]

Russia’s offer to Lebanon has apparently stunned the US administration. The United States undertook to increase its military help to Lebanon in 2005, after the pullout of the Syrian troops. The assistance aims to stabilize the situation in the country and create a legal alternative to Hezbollah. The Pentagon offered Cessna Caravan aircraft to Lebanon, but the [turboprops] lag far behind Russia’s MiG-29 in terms of their technical and military performance.

It is worthy of note that Russia has begun the shipments of S-300 missile complexes to Iran, news agencies said. The Islamic Republic intends to use the systems to defend its nuclear objects - Washington warned of possible pinpoint strikes on the Iranian nuclear centers.
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How the toughest of all get going.

With more than 11 million fleet hours under its massive, stalwart wings, the Cessna Caravan has set legendary standards for a workhorse aircraft. Yet this phenomenal performer is far from content to rest on its hard-earned laurels. In today’s Caravan, there are even more tools to help you get the job done. A next-generation glass cockpit and a new anti-ice system empower you to venture with even more confidence. So climb aboard. Fire up the ultra-dependable, 675-horsepower Pratt & Whitney turbine engine. And go get ‘em.
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[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nickel', 'Y')ou know what, I'm so sick of this, I'm gonna say it. I really hope someone kicks Israel's ass. I don't mean drive them into the sea or anything, but just whispers in their ear "remember, thou art mortal", and brings them to the negotiating table for REAL, not for SHOW, and makes them hand something back for the sake of the peace and security that weapons are really never going to give them. They have to give the Palestinians a state and back off, FOR GOOD; or else let them participate 100% in the life and governance of Israel. They have to give back the Golan Heights and the West Bank and stop acting like Lebanon is waste ground on the other side of a fence they can just dump their crap buckets into as they please. If it comes to it, I hope they get the bloody nose and the smile with missing teeth this time. They need some bringing down before they bring us ALL down.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'R')ussia ’s offer to Lebanon has apparently stunned the US administration. The United States undertook to increase its military help to Lebanon in 2005, after the pullout of the Syrian troops. The assistance aims to stabilize the situation in the country and create a legal alternative to Hezbollah. The Pentagon offered Cessna Caravan aircraft to Lebanon, but the jets lag far behind Russia’s MiG-29 in terms of their technical and military performance.

It is worthy of note that Russia has begun the shipments of S-300 missile complexes to Iran, news agencies said. The Islamic Republic intends to use the systems to defend its nuclear objects - Washington warned of possible pinpoint strikes on the Iranian nuclear centers.
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How the toughest of all get going.

With more than 11 million fleet hours under its massive, stalwart wings, the Cessna Caravan has set legendary standards for a workhorse aircraft. Yet this phenomenal performer is far from content to rest on its hard-earned laurels. In today’s Caravan, there are even more tools to help you get the job done. A next-generation glass cockpit and a new anti-ice system empower you to venture with even more confidence. So climb aboard. Fire up the ultra-dependable, 675-horsepower Pratt & Whitney turbine engine. And go get ‘em.
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[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'I')f the Saudi princes don't get involved or support Israel or the US, THEY'RE tenure as rulers will also come to an end.

[Plantagenet]

Obama called Condi Rice to get a briefing on the events in Gaza. He says he is monitoring the situation so he can "change the tone" and move the parties toward peace when he is inaugurated.

Obama hearts Condi

[eastbay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'O')bama called Condi Rice to get a briefing on the events in Gaza. He says he is monitoring the situation so he can "change the tone" and move the parties toward peace when he is inaugurated.
Obama hearts Condi

[niknak]

just stop paying mossad, and their hamas contractors can't buy rockets.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cbxer55', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'O')bama called Condi Rice to get a briefing on the events in Gaza. He says he is monitoring the situation so he can "change the tone" and move the parties toward peace when he is inaugurated.
Obama hearts Condi

[eastbay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cbxer55', 'A')HHH! I just love the bite of sarcasm in the evening! LOL

[Eli]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nickel', 'Y')ou know what, I'm so sick of this, I'm gonna say it. I really hope someone kicks Israel's ass. I don't mean drive them into the sea or anything, but just whispers in their ear "remember, thou art mortal", and brings them to the negotiating table for REAL, not for SHOW, and makes them hand something back for the sake of the peace and security that weapons are really never going to give them. They have to give the Palestinians a state and back off, FOR GOOD; or else let them participate 100% in the life and governance of Israel. They have to give back the Golan Heights and the West Bank and stop acting like Lebanon is waste ground on the other side of a fence they can just dump their crap buckets into as they please. If it comes to it, I hope they get the bloody nose and the smile with missing teeth this time. They need some bringing down before they bring us ALL down.

[wisconsin_cur]

[Tin foil hat]

Perhaps Israel is doing this to a) degrade Hamas (duh!) but also to try to pull in Hizbollah so that they can unleash air strikes on them as well for the sole purpose of weakening these Iranian proxies prior to a strike against Iran.

This would limit the amount of retaliation that could be thrown from these two proxies in response to an attack on Iranian nuclear facilities.

The Bush Administration is almost over and an Obama admin is more of an unknown. Last chance?

[/Tin foil hat]

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

and maybe the palestinians have no choice but to keep the fighting going on. If there was peace they wouldn't get their share of the money. So their powers that be make their peasantry suffer so they get paid by the international assistance agencies. Some things never change and until you follow the money you won't see where the heart of the matter either.

the many must suffer so the few can get the $$.