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Re: Israel vs Hamas Heats up

Postby Nickel » Tue 30 Dec 2008, 16:19:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('niknak', 'T')WO MONTHS AGO ALL THE TOP REPUBLICANS SAID:

" WHEN OBAMA IS ELECTED HE WILL HAVE AN IMMEDIATE CRISES TO DEAL WITH"

So,
ROCKETS ARE FIRED FROM PALESTINE SUDDENLY AND ISRAEL RETALIATES"

Tell me they didn't know about this.


Yeah, God knows, it's never happened before in all of history. Who could have imagined it coming out of the blue like this? MUST be by design.

[marq=right]AMALGAMATED TINFOIL HATS up 5 and 7/8...[/marq]
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Re: Israel vs Hamas Heats up

Postby 3aidlillahi » Tue 30 Dec 2008, 17:10:27

I am the only one who thinks: 300 dead...1.4 million left? Gaza is a barren strip of land that can support MAYBE 100,000. There's 1.5 million people crowded there with a growth rate of 3.4%/annum which means 4.5 million more Gazans in the next 40 years! Gazans would still end up fighting amongst one another in 50 years if they owned all of Israel and there were no West Bankers or Israelis.

Same goes with the Israelis. In the end, 5 million Israelis will die, 1.4 million Gazans and about 2 million West Bankers. Of course, it's nothing compared to what will happen in India with close to 250+ million or more.

I'm not trying to be cold. But 300 dead? In this same span, 1000 have died in Darfur. Likely thousands in Zimbabwe and North Korea. It's nothing compared to the tens of thousands every HOUR in a couple of years.
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Re: Israel vs Hamas Heats up

Postby Nickel » Tue 30 Dec 2008, 17:19:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'W')hat really piss me off is when Hamas starts sending rockets into Israel not one Arab or anyone anywhere has protests in the streets about Hamas and bombing Irsael for no real reason


"NO REAL REASON"? What, do you have a memory four minutes deep or something?
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Re: Israel vs Hamas Heats up

Postby Borokrom » Tue 30 Dec 2008, 19:09:28

The 6 months cease fire ended in a bad way because there is an "embargo" and NATIVE population of Palestina basically in closed in a big LAGER. The population it's been losing all the basic, water, electric, food etc. since months.

The Zionist colonial army allowed at the moment 100 trucks (for the media to report the fact), but denied for months even single trucks with medical supplies.

When Gaza it's been left by the Israely occupation basically all the borders are been closed, leaving 1.5 million people sealed by land, air and sea.

This is a strategy to destroy morally and phisically a population (during the cease fire by the way more than 40 palestinian have been killed and 0 (zero) israely died.

These violent Zionist colonial policy is basically a constant crime, allowed by major countries as the Zionist lobby work very hard and well to keep the dirty job going free of obstacls in Palestine.

This fact unfortunately will bring no good to the Zionists them self, but unfortunately even to all the Jews, and there is many, that are not Zionist (and do not read Talmud).
Many Jews that are following their religion peacefully all over the world, as a religion not as an obsession the have a country who belong to others.

I'm not islamic, and I do not particulary like them as well.

But I like truth.

And another part of the truth is that the America tax payer give money directly and indirectly to the Zionism. A lot of money.

But soon as America won't have a lot of money or will became a less powerful country the Zionists will leave as fleas escape from a dead dog.
This maybe the only good thing for America.

In the middle time Zionism is just a big pimp that use others bodies to get a personal interest. But a very smart pimp (imagine fight a country like Cina and not a population that trow only stones and fireworks).
Zionists would be non very cool as they want to show now.

Anyway no population (only if totally exterminated, like Native Americans) gave-up the homeland. And historically all the invaders had to came back (Romans, Nazis, Napoleon, Japan, England etc.).

So one day even Zionist will go back out from Palestine, but where?
Maybe to Hell.

In the middle time a population will fight, stones against tanks, hands against rifle, kids against soldiers.
You know why you can see that Palestinians will not give up?

Because even when they are about to die, without a leg, bleeding to death, with a dead children in their harms they still have the dignity to lift a finger to the sky and pray for their souls and land. Whit out fear the DEATH.

By the way you know how to make a brand new Kamikazee?
I thought about my self, a western lucky men, and the only reason why a could blow up my self if is somebody would come in my house, kick me in front on my family, cut my father trees, bit my wife and teasing my kids because they crying. Or maybe if somebody simple bomb my shitty house after six months I have no food in my shitty forgotten by the world city, and kill my entire family.

In this situation, if my country would have an army I would fight. If my country can only use some fireworks rockets I may try to use them, and finally with no weapons but my body I would use it.

A goym with a gun it's a terrorist, but a Zionist with F-16, tanks, illegal atomic mass distruction weapons is there to rappresent the ONLY democracy in the middle est.

Please do not make me laugh...
I laugh enough with all the other wars that are going on now... I laugh because we suppose to be (in our western world) the most free, informed and democratic population.
But instead we are the most stupid, superficial, materialist, ignorant and blind in the wold, and last but not least, the most tricked by our governants, who supplies us with lies and taxes only.

Here a link to get some useful statistics to understand who is David and Golia at the present time: http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

The "Elected by God People" do not consider other people life's very important... Rabbi Dov Lior used to say that "a thousand of not jews life's do not worth a jew's nail".
This is another problem, how these concept it's been translated to the average of people that Jews are the most victim of racism.

By the way how is Ariel Sharon? Never heard of him again...
Another champion of democracy who deserve the Hitler-Stalin cup contest.

I see in the PO forum this matter is not very present, but believe me, it has the same important of the other geopolitic wars, and it hide behind the same lies. This it's just custom made by Zionists and payed by Americans, and approved be the rest.

Unfortunately this crime, with the others that we are allowing, because we are allowing ours governments (which do not represent us as people anymore, but the interests of a very complicate world lobbies system), will one day come back to us or our grand-children.

We should pray maybe, whatever god we pray, to make as better human being.

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Re: Israel vs Hamas Heats up

Postby timmac » Tue 30 Dec 2008, 19:48:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nickel', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'W')hat really piss me off is when Hamas starts sending rockets into Israel not one Arab or anyone anywhere has protests in the streets about Hamas and bombing Irsael for no real reason


"NO REAL REASON"? What, do you have a memory four minutes deep or something?




Israel has signed many peace deals with them and followed thru with all the deals in each peace treaty over the years [many years], but each time Hamas breaks the deals and starts the war all over again, you cannot go back on any past problems if they sit down and make peace treaties to fix the problems and to make the furture better,, that would be the same as if we still punished Japan today because of Pearl Harbor and started a war because of the past and break the peace treaty.

Is your memory 4 min deep as well,, when will Hamas trully accept the peace treaty and stick with it.. [never]

You do know of all the past peace deals right and who keeps going back on there words,, they are liars and have 1 goal only to destory Israel and kill all jews no matter what,, you cannot make deals with animals such as Hamas.. [they are the evil ones]
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Re: Israel vs Hamas Heats up

Postby threadbear » Tue 30 Dec 2008, 19:52:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nickel', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'W')hat really piss me off is when Hamas starts sending rockets into Israel not one Arab or anyone anywhere has protests in the streets about Hamas and bombing Irsael for no real reason


"NO REAL REASON"? What, do you have a memory four minutes deep or something?




Israel has signed many peace deals with them and followed thru with all the deals in each peace treaty over the years [many years], but each time Hamas breaks the deals and starts the war all over again, you cannot go back on any past problems if they sit down and make peace treaties to fix the problems and to make the furture better,, that would be the same as if we still punished Japan today because of Pearl Harbor and started a war because of the past and break the peace treaty.

Is your memory 4 min deep as well,, when will Hamas trully accept the peace treaty and stick with it.. [never]

You do know of all the past peace deals right and who keeps going back on there words,, they are liars and have 1 goal only to destory Israel and kill all jews no matter what,, you cannot make deals with animals such as Hamas.. [they are the evil ones]


Israel has ignored every major UN resolution demanding they withdraw from occupied territory.
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Re: Israel vs Hamas Heats up

Postby kam3Oen » Tue 30 Dec 2008, 20:06:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m not trying to be cold. But 300 dead? In this same span, 1000 have died in Darfur. Likely thousands in Zimbabwe and North Korea. It's nothing compared to the tens of thousands every HOUR in a couple of years.



And don't forget the more than 300 (probably over 1000) who will die today as a result of fighting in the Congo. The MSM (and the UN) is really disgusting the way they cover international events, as if the death of a Palestinian is more important than the lives of 1000 Congolese. !@#$ them. It's all about ratings, because most people have an opinion about the Israel/Palestine conflict, while most have no idea about other conflicts, or don't care.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')srael has ignored every major UN resolution demanding they withdraw from occupied territory.


Isn't it funny, the way the UN passed resolutions against Israel for occupying "Palestine" (which itself was previously occupied by Egypt and Jordan), but has never passed resolutions against the Moroccan occupation of Western Sahara (an occupation which has killed more people, than the one which began in 1967), or the Turkish occupation of Northern Cyprus. The UN has it's standards, and there's two of them.
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Re: Israel vs Hamas Heats up

Postby mos6507 » Tue 30 Dec 2008, 20:21:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '
')Why are so many Arabs blind about the truth..


Because the Palestinians are fellow muslims and the Israelis are infidels squatting in muslim territory. So they want Israel wiped off the map just like the Palestinians do. So if the Palestinians bump off a few civilians, score one for the home team. They just don't want to come out and say it because they know it's anathema to western political correctness. So they'll express it by being selectively outraged at the UN.

If they get forced into commenting, they'll just throw out something neutral and pragmatic like "it's counter-productive to the political cause" or just blame Israel for "incitement" (devil made me do it). But they won't come out and say the rockets or suicide bombings are morally wrong or express any sympathy for israeli dead.

Here in lilly white liberal MA I see tons of 'stop the genocide in Darfur' bumper stickers and lawn signs. Us white folks have no reason to give a damn about those black people in africa. Not our country, not our race. But quite a few do, as a simple matter of human rights. I don't see a lot of "stop the rockets against the jews" rhetoric coming from muslim countries. Religious affiliation seems to be a prerequisite to earn their compassion.
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Re: Israel vs Hamas Heats up

Postby 3aidlillahi » Tue 30 Dec 2008, 20:41:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')eligious affiliation seems to be a prerequisite to earn their compassion.


Has more to do with race. Look at Darfur. Twice the death rate and that's been happening for almost six years! Yet not a peep. Or the violence by Saddam and so forth. Maybe so many Arabs and Muslims are just used to Arabs killing others in large numbers that they've become numb to it.
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Re: Israel vs Hamas Heats up

Postby timmac » Tue 30 Dec 2008, 21:13:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nickel', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'W')hat really piss me off is when Hamas starts sending rockets into Israel not one Arab or anyone anywhere has protests in the streets about Hamas and bombing Irsael for no real reason


"NO REAL REASON"? What, do you have a memory four minutes deep or something?




Israel has signed many peace deals with them and followed thru with all the deals in each peace treaty over the years [many years], but each time Hamas breaks the deals and starts the war all over again, you cannot go back on any past problems if they sit down and make peace treaties to fix the problems and to make the furture better,, that would be the same as if we still punished Japan today because of Pearl Harbor and started a war because of the past and break the peace treaty.

Is your memory 4 min deep as well,, when will Hamas trully accept the peace treaty and stick with it.. [never]

You do know of all the past peace deals right and who keeps going back on there words,, they are liars and have 1 goal only to destory Israel and kill all jews no matter what,, you cannot make deals with animals such as Hamas.. [they are the evil ones]


Israel has ignored every major UN resolution demanding they withdraw from occupied territory.



Yea and most of those demands were just that demands, not in most peace treaty deals,, you do know that Israel gave them gaza back,, what has Hamas done other than break the peace deals by firing rockets into homes/schools/stores/etc,, not to mention the druged childern with back pack bombs on buses and in stores, yea that is such a proud way to fight a war..
Hamas = pussy fighters,, gutless mindless punks...


If the UN resolution said America was to give back all our land to the indians and we said no, does that make us wrong and breaking any deals,, no we made our own peace deals with the indians and no outside goverment should have any say so... [same with Isreal]
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Re: Israel vs Hamas Heats up

Postby niknak » Tue 30 Dec 2008, 22:18:18

Wow. You took the bait.
You ready to have Izrael bomb Iran yet?
Arabs mostly know it is false flag that is why they are so ticked.
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Re: Israel vs Hamas Heats up

Postby niknak » Tue 30 Dec 2008, 22:21:26

High level neocon party have predicted a major national distress developing at the time Obama gets elected. They stated this in November after election before any sign of palestinian trouble.

Suddenly missiles start firing from palestine into Izrael

Tell me there is no connection between neocons and Hamas.
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Re: Israel vs Hamas Heats up

Postby wisconsin_cur » Tue 30 Dec 2008, 23:09:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')ran has set up a court to try Israelis for its air attacks on Gaza and is ready to try in absentia any people who Tehran says have committed crimes, a judiciary official said on Tuesday.

A group of Iranian students also broke into a British embassy residential compound to protest London's perceived bias towards Israel, an Iranian news agency reported.

Iran, which does not recognise Israel, has criticised some Arab states and Western countries for not doing enough to stop military action by the Jewish state.

Iran's top authority, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has urged Muslims to defend Palestinians whatever way they can.

"The court is in a special branch in Tehran and entrusted with the task of dealing with the executors, planners and officials of this (Israeli) regime who have committed crimes," judiciary spokesman Alireza Jamshidi said.


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Re: Israel vs Hamas Heats up

Postby Keith_McClary » Tue 30 Dec 2008, 23:54:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '
')Israel has signed many peace deals with them and followed thru with all the deals in each peace treaty over the years [many years], but each time Hamas breaks the deals and starts the war all over again
I don't remember Israel signing many peace deals over many years with Hamas.
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Re: Israel vs Hamas Heats up

Postby Keith_McClary » Wed 31 Dec 2008, 00:04:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', '
')The Israelis have too much to lose, their dream of a secular Jewish state is at stake and they will never give up on that dream.
"secular Jewish state" ???

That strikes me as totally off the wall. What would your Orange-shirt hilltop youth settlers say about "secular Jewish state" ?
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Re: Israel vs Hamas Heats up

Postby kam3Oen » Wed 31 Dec 2008, 00:22:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')secular Jewish state" ???

That strikes me as totally off the wall. What would your Orange-shirt hilltop youth settlers say about "secular Jewish state" ?


Israel was founded by jews, who, when they looked up from their book of fairy tales, realized they were a hated people and would always be a hated people, so why not defend themselves. All the founders of Israel were secular jews, and today, it is ruled by secular jews. In Israel, there is [near] complete social and religious freedom, and even missionizing is legal. It is unquestionably the freest nation in the middle east.

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The hilltop youth can say whatever they want, that's their freedom in a free society, which they so thoughtfully wish to see ended (much like neo-nazis or Islamo-nazis in the west).
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Re: Israel vs Hamas Heats up

Postby Keith_McClary » Wed 31 Dec 2008, 00:23:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', '
')I am not arguing that point, the Palestinians were kicked off of the their land during a war and have a deep seeded hatred of Israel.
That being the long planned objective of the war, wasn't it?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', '
')But it is not like they have not been offered peace agreements.
Oh, yes, the famous "generous offer", so generous that it's a secret, we can't tell you what's in it until you sign it. :?
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Re: Israel vs Hamas Heats up

Postby eastbay » Wed 31 Dec 2008, 00:29:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kam3Oen', ' ')It is unquestionably the freest nation in the middle east.


Particularly if you're Jewish. Especially if you're NOT Palestinian. But in a few decades it'll all be moot because the little experiment in apartheid will be over and will appear from then on only as a small footnote in history.

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Re: Israel vs Hamas Heats up

Postby Keith_McClary » Wed 31 Dec 2008, 00:57:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kam3Oen', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')secular Jewish state" ???

That strikes me as totally off the wall. What would your Orange-shirt hilltop youth settlers say about "secular Jewish state" ?


Israel was founded by jews, who, when they looked up from their book of fairy tales, realized they were a hated people and would always be a hated people, so why not defend themselves. All the founders of Israel were secular jews, and today, it is ruled by secular jews.
According to Wikipedia - Israel The modern state of Israel has its roots in the Land of Israel(Eretz Yisrael), a concept central to Judaism.(This "concept" being the god-given-right-of-the-chosen-people-to-their-promised-land).

So according to you Wikipedia is wrong. Fortunately it is theFree Encyclopedia that anyone can edit. So just follow the link and click on "EDIT" and correct the error. :lol: Let us know how that works out. (Hint: Wikipedia is run by the same Orange-shirts that run Israel.)
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kam3Oen', '
') In Israel, there is [near] complete social and religious freedom, and even missionizing is legal. It is unquestionably the freest nation in the middle east.
"Freedom" does not include equality, 90% of the land is reserved for the Chosen People only.
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kam3Oen', '
')The hilltop youth can say whatever they want, that's their freedom in a free society, which they so thoughtfully wish to see ended (much like neo-nazis or Islamo-nazis in the west).So they would be Judeao-Nazis?
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Re: Israel vs Hamas Heats up

Postby Keith_McClary » Wed 31 Dec 2008, 01:06:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('3aidlillahi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')The disinformation effort, according to defense officials, took Hamas by surprise and served to significantly increase the number of its casualties in the strike.
Sources in the defense establishment said Defense Minister Ehud Barak instructed the Israel Defense Forces to prepare for the operation over six months ago, even as Israel was beginning to negotiate a ceasefire agreement with Hamas. According to the sources, Barak maintained that although the lull would allow Hamas to prepare for a showdown with Israel, the Israeli army needed time to prepare, as well.

Barak gave orders to carry out a comprehensive intelligence-gathering drive which sought to map out Hamas' security infrastructure, along with that of other militant organizations operating in the Strip.

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