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Re: Detroit Too Broke To Bury The Dead

Unread postby Sys1 » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 13:56:18

Ah Ah! I already get the picture of 21st century America :
Rusting cars, empty buildings and dead people lying on the sidewalks :-)
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Detroit: Too broke to bury their dead

Unread postby Cabrone » Mon 02 Nov 2009, 09:05:25

Things are looking grim in the motor city.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')oney to bury Detroit's poor has dried up, forcing struggling families to abandon their loved ones in the morgue freezer.


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Re: Detroit: Too broke to bury their dead

Unread postby ohanian » Mon 02 Nov 2009, 20:26:46

Why don't they auction off the dead on ebay?

After all, society does not belong to you, you belong to your society.

If your society is in (financial) strife, then you should do all you can to help including selling your own reliquiae.
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Re: Detroit: Too broke to bury their dead

Unread postby bonehead » Tue 03 Nov 2009, 17:46:25

Maybe the movie Soylent Green wasn't so farfetched after all,auction them off,ship 'em to the highest bidder.The winning bidder gets to defrost 'em and doesn't go hungry,plus you get the added benefit of consuming the dead person's 'Power".
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Detroits Socialist Nightmare is America's Future

Unread postby deMolay » Wed 04 Nov 2009, 08:10:04

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Is Detroit in a Depression ?, 50% Unemployed.

Unread postby timmac » Thu 17 Dec 2009, 22:47:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')nemployment In Detroit Pushing 50%?

Nearly one out of two workers in Detroit are unemployed, according to a report by The Detroit News. It's a figure far higher than the government's official figure, which is still close to a staggering 30 percent.

But the newspaper says that rate doesn't take everything into account. For every person who is still looking and collecting unemployment, there are scores of others who have had benefits run out, accepted a part-time position, taken early retirement or a job outside of their regular field.

Here's how the paper arrived at it's assessment:

The Bureau of Labor Statistics estimated that for the year that ended in September, Michigan's official unemployment rate was 12.6 percent. Using the broadest definition of unemployment, the state unemployment rate was 20.9 percent, or 66 percent higher than the official rate. Since Detroit's official rate for October was 27 percent, that broader rate pushes the city's rate to as high as 44.8 percent.

The report says at least 100,000 in the city have given up the job search all together. Think about that number for a second. There is a small population-within-a-population that has just given up. The job market is so bad in Detroit that this group is betting it's better to just throw in the towel than continue to be silently mocked by their job search.

Also, if you tell the unemployment office you stopped looking for a job more than a year ago you're not counted in the official tally.

Detroit has been the poster child city for how quickly a city can spiral downward in an economic decline. Scores of major car making plants have been shut down, leaving thousands of workers in the dust. Then, you have suppliers shutting down who once made a living producing parts for the factories. Finally, with no employees working nearby, restaurants close up shop because nobody's stopping in for a breakfast, lunch or dinner. Mix all of that in with the stagnant real estate market and it's a recipe for disaster.

Even the city's mayor - Dave Bing - agrees with the more realistic assessment. At the recent White House Job Summit he pegged the city's unemployment rate as "closer to 50 percent." He is urging the government to start sending money Detroit's way so it can be used for city clean-up projects and infrastructure development that will put some people to work.
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Re: Is Detroit in a Depression ?, 50% Unemployed.

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Thu 17 Dec 2009, 23:51:57

A few problems here:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or every person who is still looking and collecting unemployment, there are scores of others who have had benefits run out, accepted a part-time position, taken early retirement or a job outside of their regular field.


That's not unemployment. That's a career change. Lots of bank tellers had to find new jobs when the ATM was invented. If those tellers found new jobs as clerks at hotels or secretaries, they aren't unemployed.

No one is entitled to work in "their regular field" forever. That's just neo-Luddite nonsense.

As for the people "throwing in the towel", how are they surviving?

I'd imagine that many of them are leaving Detroit in favor of places that are friendlier to business and thus friendlier to employment.

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There's a 2-1 ratio of people leaving Michigan.

Between 2000 and 2008, nearly 500,000 more people left Michigan than moved to Michigan. That's astounding if you really think about it. That's 5% of the population in only 8 years.

If people could sell their homes and escape their mortgages, I'll bet the number would be twice as high.

Will the last person in Detroit please shut off the lights?
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Re: Is Detroit in a Depression ?, 50% Unemployed.

Unread postby timmac » Fri 18 Dec 2009, 00:20:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he top 3 most unemployed cites listed by the Business Insider on 11-04-09.

1. Detroit, Michigan

Unemployment Rate: 17.3%

Labor Force: 2.1 million

Unemployed: 361,100

It's Detroit. Need we say more?

[Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI Metropolitan Statistical Area]

2. San Bernardino, California

Unemployment Rate: 14.2%

Labor Force: 1.8 million

Unemployed: 253,000

3. Las Vegas, Nevada

Unemployment Rate: 13.9%

Labor Force: 1 million

Unemployed: 141,000



What I don't get is how they put Vegas close to Detroit with unemployed, we are bad here but not as bad as I read in articles or folks I know that have left there because there is No Work at all, unemployment must really be about 30% + in Detroit, I would say 50% might be a little high but who knows ??
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Re: Is Detroit in a Depression ?, 50% Unemployed.

Unread postby Pretorian » Fri 18 Dec 2009, 00:20:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'B')etween 2000 and 2008, nearly 500,000 more people left Michigan than moved to Michigan. That's astounding if you really think about it. That's 5% of the population in only 8 years.



I wouldnt worry about it, they breed like flies there. And you are paying for it.
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Re: Is Detroit in a Depression ?, 50% Unemployed.

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Fri 18 Dec 2009, 01:22:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'B')etween 2000 and 2008, nearly 500,000 more people left Michigan than moved to Michigan. That's astounding if you really think about it. That's 5% of the population in only 8 years.



I wouldnt worry about it, they breed like flies there. And you are paying for it.


First statement is false. Second statement is mostly true.

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Re: Is Detroit in a Depression ?, 50% Unemployed.

Unread postby Pretorian » Fri 18 Dec 2009, 02:44:25

oh, sorry. i confused it with Detroit
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Re: Is Detroit in a Depression ?, 50% Unemployed.

Unread postby hironegro » Fri 18 Dec 2009, 14:36:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'o')h, sorry. i confused it with Detroit

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Re: Is Detroit in a Depression ?, 50% Unemployed.

Unread postby gollum » Fri 18 Dec 2009, 14:39:06

Detroit isn't in depression it's in collapse. Did anyone catch the photo essay that either Time or Newsweek did last summer?
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Re: Is Detroit in a Depression ?, 50% Unemployed.

Unread postby Sixstrings » Fri 18 Dec 2009, 14:47:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', 'D')etroit isn't in depression it's in collapse. Did anyone catch the photo essay that either Time or Newsweek did last summer?


Yeah, I did..

What I wonder about is, how come nobody cares? New Orleans collapsed (due to hurricane) and it gets pumped full of all kinds of money.

Meanwhile, Detroit is a rotting husk sinking down into a post-apocalyptic muck and everyone is just so blase about it. Any Michiganers on the forum? How do you feel about Detroit?
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Re: Is Detroit in a Depression ?, 50% Unemployed.

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 18 Dec 2009, 19:56:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', 'D')etroit isn't in depression it's in collapse. Did anyone catch the photo essay that either Time or Newsweek did last summer?


Yeah, I did..

What I wonder about is, how come nobody cares? New Orleans collapsed (due to hurricane) and it gets pumped full of all kinds of money.

Meanwhile, Detroit is a rotting husk sinking down into a post-apocalyptic muck and everyone is just so blase about it. Any Michiganers on the forum? How do you feel about Detroit?


I feel very sad about Detroit, the City has a lot of beautiful old buildings, great art, museums, zoo, waterfront.

Unfortunately it has had corrupt people in charge for so long that it has been falling further and further into disrepair my entire life. When I was a kid you could drive through block after block of abandoned housing. Most of that has long since been burned or fallen down and is now block after block of vacant land. Downtown now has at least a couple completely empty skyscrapers and several more with very low occupancy rates. Specifically the Book Building lost its last tenet in January '09. It is an interesting building but the commercial real estate collapse that is just beginning might prevent it being redeveloped for a decade or more. A lot of the other skyscrapers in the city core are at risk because with low occupancy rates they are having a hard time paying mortgages and with the economy in this state in chaos they can not attract additional tenets.

When I was growing up the People Mover mass transit project was under construction, it is an elevated monorail that was intended to have a central loop around the city core and additional lines extending out like the Metrorail system in Washington D.C. and other cities. Because of corruption the central loop was completed 5 or 6 years behind schedule and the feeder lines were never even started. So if you go to the City you can ride the People Mover for half an hour and be back where you started. It does make it convenient to park in a couple of the garage complexes and get to any of the sports venues, or some of the downtown skyscrapers that are still reasonably occupied, but other than that it is useless.

Another example, when Metro Airport was expanded a decade or so ago the same sort of corruption seriously delayed the project, put the whole thing way over budget and cost everyone in the state extra.

Both of the projects were taxpayer funded and hurt everyone in the state for the benefit of a few select people with the right connections in Detroit/Wayne County. Detroit has sadly become the poster child for how corruption in leadership can lead to very long term decline that is very hard to fight your way back from.
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Re: Is Detroit in a Depression ?, 50% Unemployed.

Unread postby Revi » Fri 18 Dec 2009, 20:10:18

Detroit is the first truly post-modern city.

The fall of this place presages the end of industrial civilization.

I like the way that we are so unsentimental about it that even Ford's model T plant is abandoned.

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Here are some great pics of Detroit's forgotten landmarks:

http://www.forgottendetroit.com/
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Re: Is Detroit in a Depression ?, 50% Unemployed.

Unread postby hillsidedigger » Fri 18 Dec 2009, 23:07:11

There's something of Detroit in most locations in the United states.
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Re: Is Detroit in a Depression ?, 50% Unemployed.

Unread postby Pretorian » Sat 19 Dec 2009, 03:56:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hironegro', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'o')h, sorry. i confused it with Detroit

or black people

Whats the difference? Same balls, different angle. The city of Detroit had lost 95% of its white people between 1950 and 2000, and people are wondering why it went to the sewage. Who wants to live in a zoo with open cages ?
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Re: Is Detroit in a Depression ?, 50% Unemployed.

Unread postby Quinny » Sat 19 Dec 2009, 05:27:23

Back to the same old stupid racist arguments.

You really bear a grudge don't you.
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Re: Is Detroit in a Depression ?, 50% Unemployed.

Unread postby Phoeberose » Sat 19 Dec 2009, 07:25:50

My son and his friend were walking in a 'nice' area of Detroit a few weeks ago, at 10:30 at night. They were held up by three 12 yr olds (appeared to be) at gunpoint. One of the three told the one holding the gun to "Shoot this a-------". (he didn't shoot). The police were called, and arrived at 2:00 am. My son lives in Detroit, because that's all he can afford. He bought his house for $7000. One house across the street is now going for $3000. I work near the Manoogian Mansion, the Mayor's home, and even that area, while safe enough, has 2 or 3 abandoned properties, and is just a bit shabby looking.
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