[SeaGypsy]

Just had a dig and found plenty of nice enough looking houses under $3000! $15k for a 4 bed 2 bath 2 story. Incredibly cheap, cheaper than anywhere in Asia with sealed roads. Plus still plenty of healthcare jobs. If I had to i could make that work.

[papa moose]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'J')ust had a dig and found plenty of nice enough looking houses under $3000! $15k for a 4 bed 2 bath 2 story. Incredibly cheap, cheaper than anywhere in Asia with sealed roads. Plus still plenty of healthcare jobs. If I had to i could make that work.

[papa moose]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'C')heck out these pictures, everyone needs to see these.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/ ... 0&index=15

[SeaGypsy]

This thread got me thinking last night.

Where I have been working in Darwin Australia, a cheap house is worth $450,000.
Average wages are around $1k a week.
Thus 450 weeks wages to buy a house. (No better than the $3k house in Detroit)

Philippines average house $50,000.
Wages: $50 a week.
Thus 1000 weeks wages for a house. (same standard).

Detroit under $5k.
Wages $400 a week.
Thus 13 weeks wages to buy.

Weird....

[papa moose]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'T')his thread got me thinking last night.
Detroit under $5k., Wages $400 a week., Thus 13 weeks wages to buy.
Weird....

[Pretorian]

.........moving to a village that neighbours Detroit. He even bought a house there,some village with the highest concentration of muslims in US. He left his job and a house full of roommates (his tenants, RIP to his house ) to pray on souls of innocent muslims in the name of Jesus Christ. I mean seriously, that was the reason.

[Tanada]

Detroit voters decided by a large margin to throw out the current city charter and adopt a new one. The new charter adds half a dozen new methods for removing incumbents from office, and changes the council election system from at large to a district by district system. The new districts will be in place for the 2013 elections, if we are still around to vote by that date instead of living in the post peak apocalypse.

[anador]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hillsidedigger', 'T')here's something of Detroit in most locations in the United states.

[Ferretlover]

The future of all large cities? Apparently so. This article shows the apathy of both government and the cities' citizens:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Vacant Detroit becomes dumping ground for the dead
At least a dozen bodies found in 12 months' time
By COREY WILLIAMS
DETROIT — From the street, the two decomposing bodies were nearly invisible, concealed in an overgrown lot alongside worn-out car tires and a moldy sofa. The teenagers had been shot, stripped to their underwear and left on a deserted block.
They were just the latest victims of foul play whose remains went undiscovered for days after being hidden deep inside Detroit's vast urban wilderness — a crumbling wasteland rarely visited by outsiders and infrequently patrolled by police.
Abandoned and neglected parts of the city are quickly becoming dumping grounds for the dead — at least a dozen bodies in 12 months' time. And authorities acknowledge there's little they can do. ...
The bodies have been purposely hidden or discarded in alleys, fields, vacant houses, abandoned garages and even a canal. Seven of the victims are believed to have been slain outside Detroit and then dumped within the city.
It's a pattern made possible by more than four decades of urban decay and suburban flight. …
Detroit has more than 30,000 vacant houses, and the deficit-strangled city has no resources of its own to level them. Mayor Dave Bing is promoting a plan to tear down as many as possible using federal money. The state is also contributing to the effort.
But it's hard to keep up. About a quarter-million people moved out of Detroit between 2000 and 2010, leaving just over 700,000 residents in a city built for 2 million.
[url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48482538/ … 143899189]Associated Press[/url]

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', ' ')…
Detroit has more than 30,000 vacant houses, and the deficit-strangled city has no resources of its own to level them. Mayor Dave Bing is promoting a plan to tear down as many as possible using federal money. The state is also contributing to the effort.

[dolanbaker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '
')
But since the houses are vacant, why can't other cities and states relocate their own ghettos into Detroit? They don't spend enough on their housing already? I'd think having one giant ghetto that lives of public funds anyway would be easier to manage and maintain than hundreds of them all over the country.

[Cloud9]

A fair argument can be made that America has three capitals. The political capital is in Washington. The economic capital is in New York. And, the industrial capital is in Detroit. Motor City is at the heart of the industrial base built around the automobile. It blossomed when the automobile came of age. It was the center of America’s smoke stack industries. In the late fifties and early sixties, as we looked across the country, it was difficult to find any industry that was not directly or indirectly associated with the rise of the automobile. Sub divisions, restaurants, shopping malls and hotels all owed their rise to the ever expanding roadways and the automobiles that ran on them.

The decline began with the first oil shocks. A Google Earth tour of Detroit’s streets lined with abandoned businesses and empty homes is reminiscent of blighted areas in our own home towns. In complex systems, sometimes the collapse is felt first in the center of the network before its effects are felt on the periphery. Consider this from a bulletin put out by the Detroit Police Union:

Enter Detroit at your own risk!

1. Detroit is America’s most violent city.
2. Detroit’s homicide rate is the highest in the country.
3. Detroit’s police department is grossly understaffed.
4. No police no peace

http://cbsdetroit.files.wordpress.com/2 ... n-risk.jpg

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'A') fair argument can be made that America has three capitals. The political capital is in Washington. The economic capital is in New York. And, the industrial capital is in Detroit.

[Lore]

Hell... I have the asparagus capital just South of me, but with regards to the great industrial capitals of the country, there is probably not a one of them that won't be just empty donut holes in the future with a crumbling perimeter.

[Cloud9]

My thinking is that Detroit serves as a model for peak oil cities.

[vision-master]

Washington DC..........

[kublikhan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'T')he decline began with the first oil shocks
....
My thinking is that Detroit serves as a model for peak oil cities.

[Tanada]

Found a new website (well new to me anyhow) with photo tours of key abandoned buildings in Detroit. You should give them a look.

http://detroiturbex.com/content/downtown/index.html

[Ache]

Link


In downtown Detroit (pictured in 1991) have been demolished in recent years large buildings that were legendary. / CAMILO JOSE VERGARA
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n semi-urban megalopolis to jungle, from its heyday automobile, the city of Detroit has lost 63% of its population. The geographic space remains the same: 359 square kilometers are fortunate uneven. In some places, nature reclaims what is hers, and reforestation, wild, whole apples. There are 800,000 empty structures in Detroit, most dilapidated. Recovery efforts, private and public, are concentrated in a few small areas that are attractive to residents, spoiling even more impoverished neighborhoods. There is no master plan. In the history of urbanism, much has been written of expanding urban centers, but there is little about the phenomenon of shrinking cities.