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Re: Detroit ponders bulldozing portion of city to stay afloat

Unread postby rangerone314 » Thu 11 Mar 2010, 13:31:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'S')unflowers can be used to decontaminate soils, because they take up a lot of heavy metals and other toxins. They should then be cut and burned, and the ash either refined for the materials, or disposed of in a toxic waste dump. What I don't know if how many crops you need to grow to decontaminate fully.

Could the sunflowers be used as biofuel?

I considered them when I first moved to my house in late 2008, when wife was concerned about growing space being too close to the road, but soil tests showed everything was good.

Now I'm back to sunflowers (sort of) in the form of Jerusalem artichokes.
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Re: Detroit ponders bulldozing portion of city to stay afloat

Unread postby Kristen » Fri 12 Mar 2010, 10:49:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'T')he thing that most theorists, social engineers, conservatives, liberals, socialists etc overlook is that there is a certain percentage of people that are basically worthless and are permanent damaged goods, like people who can't swim after a shipwreck that will pull other people down with them as they drown. --snip--Toxic people are unfortunate in that they didn't ask to be born into their situation. I'd say you can always point to the rare people that reform themselves, but I would say they are what in other environments might have become almost like this
The problem with your solution (euthanasia of "toxic" people) is defining what a "damaged person" would be like. What if the worthless call you worthless and you end with the short end of the stick? Also just because a person can't swim does not make them useless!
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Re: Detroit ponders bulldozing portion of city to stay afloat

Unread postby Pretorian » Sat 13 Mar 2010, 04:06:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', ' ')Also just because a person can't swim does not make them useless!


You are right, eels, crabs, lobsters and other crustaceans will find them usefull.
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Re: Detroit ponders bulldozing portion of city to stay afloat

Unread postby IslandCrow » Sat 13 Mar 2010, 06:20:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'S')unflowers can be used to decontaminate soils,


Several local authoritise here plant fields of sunflowers, usually a bit out of town, and then allow people to go there to pick them. This would not help with decontamination, but it is a very nice practice (and the fields resow themselves).
We should teach our children the 4-Rs: Reduce, Reuse, Recycle and Rejoice.
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Re: Detroit ponders bulldozing portion of city to stay afloat

Unread postby Cabrone » Sun 14 Mar 2010, 14:12:21

Detroit family homes sell for just $10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he once thriving industrial city has suffered a dramatic decline following the global economic crisis.
According to Tim Prophit, a real estate agent, the crisis has led to a unprecedented portfolio of homes, but they are failing to sell.
He said there were homes on the market for $100 (£61), but an offer of just $10 (£6) would be likely to be accepted.


At $10 that's got to be a good deal to any urban agricultural movement just for the land?

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Saw a fascinating documentary on Detroit the other night - from the hey day of the car industry through to the race riots of 67, total economic collapse and future green plans (need to be able to watch programs on BBC iPlayer).

Requiem for Detroit

It's going to be interesting to see what happens there in the years to come.
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Re: Detroit ponders bulldozing portion of city to stay afloat

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 15 Mar 2010, 14:33:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cabrone', '[')b]Detroit family homes sell for just $10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he once thriving industrial city has suffered a dramatic decline following the global economic crisis.
According to Tim Prophit, a real estate agent, the crisis has led to a unprecedented portfolio of homes, but they are failing to sell.
He said there were homes on the market for $100 (£61), but an offer of just $10 (£6) would be likely to be accepted.


At $10 that's got to be a good deal to any urban agricultural movement just for the land?

Link

Saw a fascinating documentary on Detroit the other night - from the hey day of the car industry through to the race riots of 67, total economic collapse and future green plans (need to be able to watch programs on BBC iPlayer).

Requiem for Detroit

It's going to be interesting to see what happens there in the years to come.


how do you picture yourself a commercial production on 0.1-0.2 acre lots on contaminated soil in the midst of a black ghetto? The reason these houses are so cheap is because they are liability, not an asset or an investment. Some squatting Negro will fall on the stairs, break a toe or something and you'll be selling your manor in London to cover his medical expences and whatnot.
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Re: Detroit ponders bulldozing portion of city to stay afloat

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 15 Mar 2010, 15:09:04

Pretorian, anytime you buy on a low you are taking a gamble regardless of the investment. You're investing in something that everyone else has written off as useless. Either it will turn out to be a folly or a coup. Only time will tell.
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Re: Detroit ponders bulldozing portion of city to stay afloat

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 15 Mar 2010, 15:38:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'P')retorian, anytime you buy on a low you are taking a gamble regardless of the investment. You're investing in something that everyone else has written off as useless. Either it will turn out to be a folly or a coup. Only time will tell.



You obviously didn't click on the link to that $10 house. It says the city of Detroit thinks this house is worth $35 000, and good luck convincing it otherwise when you'll be paying your taxes. As for the land, from what I know the city of Detroit spends $10 000 (ten thousands dollars of the United States of America) to demolish each shack like this when federal funds are kicking in.
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Re: Detroit ponders bulldozing portion of city to stay afloat

Unread postby anador » Mon 15 Mar 2010, 22:17:48

They have to be sure that bulldozing is not all their doing.

They have been bulldozing the city since the 50's, mere removal of blight does not unblight what is next to it. In fact, usually the opposite.

They need to plug the empty holes in the smaller settlement, fill in all lots with new buildings and leave no "missing teeth"

I think that the vast majority of the land should be turned back into farms if the pollution issue is fixed, but the resulting neighborhoods must be more dense, and completely infilled, leaving no "urban prairies"

If construction does not go hand in hand with demolition the remaining area will continue to decay and will not gentrify at all.

Broken windows theory still holds weather or not the decayed neighborhood is surrounded by empty lots, strip suburbs or fields of sunflowers.
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Re: Detroit ponders bulldozing portion of city to stay afloa

Unread postby dinopello » Wed 14 Jul 2010, 08:33:40

This article talks about the Agrarian Urbanism model that Detroit is following

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ow the seeds of a remarkable rebirth are being planted – literally. Across Detroit, land is being turned over to agriculture. Furrows are being tilled, soil fertilised and crops planted and harvested. Like in no other city in the world, urban farming has taken root in Detroit, not just as a hobby or a sideline but as part of a model for a wholesale revitalisation of a major city. Some farms are the product of hardy individualists or non-profit community groups. Others, like Hantz Farms, are backed by millions of dollars and aim to build the world's biggest urban farm right in the middle of the city.
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Re: Detroit ponders bulldozing portion of city to stay afloa

Unread postby ian807 » Wed 14 Jul 2010, 10:37:40

Wrong city. Start with Washington DC. Right around Pennsylvania Avenue.
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Re: Detroit ponders bulldozing portion of city to stay afloa

Unread postby Timo » Wed 14 Jul 2010, 12:49:28

Detroit is one of only three cities to have their city plans approved by Congress. Name the other two.
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Re: Detroit ponders bulldozing portion of city to stay afloa

Unread postby Pretorian » Thu 15 Jul 2010, 12:23:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ian807', 'W')rong city. Start with Washington DC. Right around Pennsylvania Avenue.


Actually, why not move the entire DC to Detroit? DC is close to the coast so something will be hanging around for sure regardless. And all these embassies and governmental workers, along with Obama's crackhole will make a nice addition to Detroit's ghettos.
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Re: Detroit ponders bulldozing portion of city to stay afloa

Unread postby Revi » Sat 16 Oct 2010, 07:21:35

As Maine goes, so goes the nation. I guess a little lawyer from Maine pulled the top off of the whole mortgage mess:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/15/busin ... f=business

It's a great story.
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Re: Detroit ponders bulldozing portion of city to stay afloa

Unread postby rangerone314 » Sun 17 Oct 2010, 19:22:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ian807', 'W')rong city. Start with Washington DC. Right around Pennsylvania Avenue.


Actually, why not move the entire DC to Detroit? DC is close to the coast so something will be hanging around for sure regardless. And all these embassies and governmental workers, along with Obama's crackhole will make a nice addition to Detroit's ghettos.

I got a better idea... let the foreign ambassadors run around with DC with guns and let them hunt crackheads and drug dealers with their diplomatic immunity as a hunting license, and simply have the gov look the other way and not expel them out of the country.

Foreign ambassadors could have a little free fun, and we'd clean up the streets free of charge and save on jail space.
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Re: Detroit ponders bulldozing portion of city to stay afloa

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 04 Jan 2011, 06:56:46

Check out these pictures, everyone needs to see these.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/ ... 0&index=15
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To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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Re: Detroit ponders bulldozing portion of city to stay afloa

Unread postby Lore » Tue 04 Jan 2011, 07:13:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'C')heck out these pictures, everyone needs to see these.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/ ... 0&index=15


Some great movie sets;... huh? Is Detroit still a part of Michigan? Oh well, Rick Snyder, aka "one tuff nerd", will get this fixed.
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Re: Detroit ponders bulldozing portion of city to stay afloa

Unread postby Fishman » Tue 04 Jan 2011, 09:06:25

Poor Detroit, it suffers from Blue State/ Blue City disease. To make sure your city/ state fail financially, pick the party that has run Detroit.
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Re: Detroit ponders bulldozing portion of city to stay afloa

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 04 Jan 2011, 09:23:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'A')s Maine goes, so goes the nation. I guess a little lawyer from Maine pulled the top off of the whole mortgage mess: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/15/busin ... f=business It's a great story.

So I have to loggin to read this? Nope!
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Re: Detroit ponders bulldozing portion of city to stay afloa

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 04 Jan 2011, 09:25:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'P')oor Detroit, it suffers from Blue State/ Blue City disease. To make sure your city/ state fail financially, pick the party that has run Detroit.


Ever heard of the Dixie Pricks? lol :lol:
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