[yull]

I agree with almost all that ozkrenske, but since when has the US acted rationally? Iraq was always going to be a disaster and they went for that. They also show no regard for international law - the Iraq war was illegal, so is Guantanamo Bay and countless other things they've been doing lately. It doesn't make sense, but lots of things don't make sense yet they are done.

Also, how would Iran react if it was just Israel who attacked? Their prime minister has said than an attack is inevitable and they have already rehearsed it with that operation over Greece and Southern Europe earlier this month. Iranians know that the US are massively backing Israel, could Iran retaliate against the US just for an Israeli attack? Perhaps Iran would react to the US by cutting oil exports, attacking ships, blocking the Straits of Hormuz. Who knows.

Perhaps then the US could use these actions as justification for an attack. Then there is the question on how the Russians, Chinese, Arabs, Europe etc react.

I have always been sceptical of an Iran attack but with recent rhetoric and actions nothing would surprise me anymore.

[bkwillia]

OPEC is not trading US dollars for Euros or Yen, they are trading dollars for oil futures. This is painfully obvious.

The Euro has stalled, the Yen is in a trading range, and even the emerging Canadian petrodollar is well off its highs. Meanwhile, oil futures are soaring all the way into 2016.

This naval blockade and sanctions against Iran are merely a distraction to keep the media from focusing on the real issue of peaking supply. The US has long lost control of the oil market, as has OPEC. Their best bet is to prolong the spread of the peak oil contagion until war breaks out. Then, we can just blame prices on war.

[pedalling_faster]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'I')f you're a Zionist, the analysis is very easy.

You ask . . .

"Will this action benefit Israel?"

If the answer is "yes", then the action is supported.

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('idiom', 'A') war with Iran will leave America in control of a huge swathe of the Middle East running from Afghanistan to Iraq.

With that size Islamic population under American occupation, with that amount of Oil under Ameircan control, the balance of global power destabilse quickly.

[jbrovont]

War with Iran will leave the US with nothing. No oil, thanks to their alliances, a destroyed currency, and an inability to wage war on credit. This is by far the most stupid idea I've ever seen come out of Washington, second even to the congress supporting King George in his faux(fox?) war on terrorism after he attacked NY.

Any armed conflict with Iran will decimate your standard of living. If you can't understand that, you need to read more.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('idiom', 'A') war with Iran will leave America in control of a huge swathe of the Middle East running from Afghanistan to Iraq.

With that size Islamic population under American occupation, with that amount of Oil under Ameircan control, the balance of global power destabilse quickly.

[SILENTTODD]

DocHoliday, Welcome! (Been a number of places the original walked as he was one of my favorite people in the old west. Only
Wyatt Earp was more so!),

Totally agree with your assessment for a first post. Let's hope our president is not as stupid as I believe he might be!

[idiom]

The thing is Bush doesn't have to sell it to anyone! Congress is going to ask him to go to war.

[IndigoMoon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Medeno', 'H').CON.RES.362 now has 169 Cosponsors (another 23 in the last two days). There are I believe 535 house members. I would think this would be the top of the headlines. For more information and current status, check,

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z ... .res.00362:

[idiom]

Oh suck. 238 in the house. 35 in the Senate. That's more than half of each house co-sponsoring a declaration of war.

Democracy FTW.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('idiom', 'O')h suck. 238 in the house. 35 in the Senate. That's more than half of each house co-sponsoring a declaration of war.

[Plantagenet]

The simplest way to stop this is to find 40 Senators to fillibuster in the Senator, or pressure Nancy Pelosi to come out against it in the House.

NOTHING happens in the house of representatives that isn't controlled and approved by the Speaker of the House (Nancy Pelosi, dem-SF).

NOTHING can happen in the Senate without a filibuster proof majority of 60 Senators.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'N')OTHING happens in the house of representatives that isn't controlled and approved by the Speaker of the House (Nancy Pelosi, dem-SF).

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'N')OTHING happens in the house of representatives that isn't controlled and approved by the Speaker of the House (Nancy Pelosi, dem-SF).

[idiom]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('idiom', 'O')h suck. 238 in the house. 35 in the Senate. That's more than half of each house co-sponsoring a declaration of war.

[IndigoMoon]

H.CON.RES.362
Title: Expressing the sense of Congress regarding the threat posed to international peace, stability in the Middle East, and the vital national security interests of the United States by Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons and regional hegemony, and for other purposes.
Related Bills: S.RES.580

The cosponsor count continues to rise. For more information and current status, go HERE

As of 7/11/08 the cosponsor count was 238.
As of today, 7/19/08 the cosponsor count is 247.

Could someone please explain what the 'magic' cosponsor number is?

[idiom]

Well 3 gets a Bill considered I think. 261 or so would be enough co sponsors to over-ride a veto. The still need 60 senators to avoid a filibuster. They don't need to all be co-sponsors, they just need to vote yes.

Bu what are the odds of Bush Vetoing it? "Its not my fault, Congress wants me to go to war. I am being Bi-Partisan"

On the upside:

Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy [MO-1] - 6/17/2008(withdrawn - 7/9/2008)

Sanity got through to someone.

[miles392]

Isn't any major newsmedia adressing this? Seems pretty strange.

[SILENTTODD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'N')ancy Pelosi stopped consideration of impeachment bills for Bush and Cheney, so nothing happened, and Nancy Pelosi supports more funding for the Iraq War, so the war goes on, and Nancy Pelosi supports the Iran embargo resolution, so it got passed by the House..

[SILENTTODD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vetusfirma', 'A')lright children, remember this is all about PEAK OIL. Of course we are in Iraq, it's the only way to surround Iran and control the oil. Of course we are going to stop Iran from controlling the region thur nuclear fear.

Just hating Jews and America is not going to keep the lights on here. If you hate Jews so much, go to Gaza. If you love Chavez so much, go to Venezuela.

Me, I'm gonna take care of mine, and I don't care what the rest of the world does. Remember, all the oil will be used. It's just a matter of 'who' will do the using.

[SILENTTODD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('idiom', 'A') war with Iran will leave America in control of a huge swathe of the Middle East running from Afghanistan to Iraq.

With that size Islamic population under American occupation, with that amount of Oil under Ameircan control, the balance of global power destabilse quickly.