[k_semler]

H.R.418: REAL ID Act of 2005; A bill to suspend all laws. Section 102 of H.R. 418 grants the following
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Section 102', ' ')SEC. 102. WAIVER OF LAWS NECESSARY FOR IMPROVEMENT OF BARRIERS AT BORDERS.
Section 102(c) of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (8 U.S.C. 1103 note) is amended to read as follows:
`(c) Waiver-
`(1) IN GENERAL- Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall have the authority to waive, and shall waive, all laws such Secretary, in such Secretary's sole discretion, determines necessary to ensure expeditious construction of the barriers and roads under this section.
`(2) NO JUDICIAL REVIEW- Notwithstanding any other provision of law (statutory or nonstatutory), no court shall have jurisdiction--
`(A) to hear any cause or claim arising from any action undertaken, or any decision made, by the Secretary of Homeland Security pursuant to paragraph (1); or
`(B) to order compensatory, declaratory, injunctive, equitable, or any other relief for damage alleged to arise from any such action or decision.'.

[JayHMorrison]

Calm down junior. Take a deep breath.

This is basically giving the Sec of Homeland Security the authority of eminent domain to build walls along the border. It is a zoning authority. Your county commission has a similar authority already.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f this is passed, we may need to result to more drastic actions to take back our nation, the only bad part is, weapons have no logic, and only operate according to how they are directed to be. If this bill passes, we can kiss good-bye to the United States Constitution. And on that note, I'm off to town to buy me 1500 rds of 7.62x39. May God help us all.

[gnm]

Excellent info K_semler - THx!

-G

[k_semler]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JayHMorrison', 'C')alm down junior. Take a deep breath.

This is basically giving the Sec of Homeland Security the authority of eminent domain to build walls along the border. It is a zoning authority. Your county commission has a similar authority already.

[k_semler]

Well, I am 240 rds short of what I wanted, but I bought out the whole dealer's inventory of Wolf 7.62x39mm Non-corrosive FMJ. If nothing materialises, then I will have adequate supplies for 14 months. If something does happen, then I shall be more prepared than I was 1 hour ago. Looks like it was just in time also. Senate Bill 5475 looks like it is about to pass, and maybe it is time I kiss this leftist state good bye, and move to Idaho. 16 miles won't be too far of a move to do in less than 72 hours if I had to. If this bill does pass, I will forever live outside of the United Soviet Socialists of Washington.

[spear]

KS I got to give you credit there buddy,you got balls with those posts.Now pack your shit and get ready to hoof it if you see unfamiliar faces going back and forth in front of your place.

[JayHMorrison]

I must remember. Don't feed the trolls... don't feed the trolls.

[k_semler]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('spear', 'K')S I got to give you credit there buddy,you got balls with those posts.Now pack your shit and get ready to hoof it if you see unfamiliar faces going back and forth in front of your place.

[Tyler_JC]

God bless you!

People like you are keeping this country from adding an extra "s" to its title. I hope they will let me enter Canada when the USSA establishes itself. I have said it before and I will say it again, eminent domain is nothing more than government encouraged theft . Property taxes and eminent domain are unconstitutional because they deny American citizens the rights of life, liberty, and property.

I hope it doesn't come to this, but if I must...

[k_semler]

EXACTLY!!!

I shall a very famous document speak for me here. You should be able to recongnise it. History is often the best conveyer of messeges, and this is no exception.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Thomas Jefferson, 06/28/1776, delivered unto congress 07/04/1776', 'W')e hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
...

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

[gg3]

Whoa there!

Between the smug remarks about running for Congress and the frightened cries to raise a militia, there IS another, obvious option.

Raise up a constitutionally-based lawsuit the moment the law is passed.

Any law that attempts to rule out judicial review can be challenged as an unconstitutional violation of separation of powers, not to mention a denial of the right of due process to those citizens directly affected by the law.

This proposed law appears on the surface to be about building barriers and roads near the border; and also, close to the surface, about an immediate infringement of the right of judicial review. However, the really insidious thing is that it could at first be used with relative moderation until it has become sufficiently entrenched as to have precedent-setting ability for other measures (or applications of the same premises) to follow.

Looking on the bright side, tighter borders might prevent us getting swamped during one or another of the impending Malthusian crises. But on the other hand, a barrier works two ways: it can be used to keep people out....

...or it can be used to keep people IN.

[k_semler]

Good point. This law may not even pass. God willing, it will not.

[pilferage]

Does anyone else see the potential here? The workers in the prison system would form the 'expendable' working class who could do the heavy lifting/hazardous tasks, those in debt would have some 'mandatory' term at work camps, and the rest of us would be implicated on the basis of 'need' (ours or theirs, it doesn't matter much).
We're setting up the table for slave and indentured servant classes sometime during the next few decades.

[MicroHydro]

True. The other slave system is the military, where people are having their enlistments extended to 2031. Plus, even if you are discharged, they can recall you any time they want. But, this is not a draft. Right?

[pilferage]

It's the government, they can do whatever they want.

[seldom_seen]

I see the potential.

As oil supplies start to wane. We will still have lots of alternate energy in the form of "human beings." The govt/corporate power structure naturally will horde the remaining oil supplies...and hence use this power (energy) to maintain their position.

The prospect of debters camps/work camps (slavery) does not sound very far-fetched to me. This dynamic seems to be in full effect already across much of the "third world" and China.

[BiGG]

Cool! That works for me so long as the work camps have cheap available labor that can clean my boat without scratching it.

How much is it going to cost for things like waxing fiberglass under this new system?

[chargrove]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ool! That works for me so long as the work camps have cheap available labor that can clean my boat without scratching it.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pilferage', 'I')t's the government, they can do whatever they want.

[pilferage]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'C')ertainly they can, as long as everyone allows them by dutifully going to work every morning, supporting the system.