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Re: House Resolution Calls for Naval Blockade against Iran

Postby Cashmere » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 18:20:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WyoDutch', '[')i]How utterly disgusting... that our national "leadership" has sunk so low that they are willing to put this nation on a collision course to war simply to assuage Isreal and the (dare I say it...) traitors over at AIPAC.


They are traitors - no two ways about it.

Their main loyalty lies elsewhere.

For 60 years organizations like AIPAC, Weisenthal Center, and the Anti-Defamation League have used WWII atrocities as a means of silencing criticism of Israel or debate of anything Jewish.

It's time to reconsider the silence.

If you are a Jew who sees this war-mongering in the interests of Israel as an abomination to the United States, now is the time to stand up and be heard. Now is the time to stand up and scream as loudly as you can that this move, if acted out, will result in a very bad result for the United States with no gain whatsoever.

In short, if you don't want the blame for the war and catastrophe that AIPAC and the ADL and all the other organizations are now trying to purchase, then you should rise up en mass now to voice your dissent.

Lacking that, I'm sure, unfortunately, that you will be presumed to be complicit.
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Re: House Resolution Calls for Naval Blockade against Iran

Postby jbrovont » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 18:23:10

I'd say the tankers Iran has holding somewhere around 28M bbl definitely have something to do with this, although what they plan to use it for is anyone's guess.

Like the article says, if they go through with this, it's as much as an act of war. If I'm correct, Iran relies heavily on imports of refined products such as gasoline and diesel. Does anyone know if they import those by pipeline or by tanker?

Without those fuels it won't take long for things to reach a breaking point there.
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Re: House Resolution Calls for Naval Blockade against Iran

Postby emersonbiggins » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 18:24:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', ' ')then you should rise up en mass now to voice your dissent.


Wanna split a cell at Gitmo? I call top bunk.
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Re: House Resolution Calls for Naval Blockade against Iran

Postby Cashmere » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 18:27:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', ' ')then you should rise up en mass now to voice your dissent.


Wanna split a cell at Gitmo? I call top bunk.


You can have top bunk as long as I get the waterboard with the padded head rest.
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Re: House Resolution Calls for Naval Blockade against Iran

Postby emersonbiggins » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 18:29:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', ' ')then you should rise up en mass now to voice your dissent.


Wanna split a cell at Gitmo? I call top bunk.


You can have top bunk as long as I get the waterboard with the padded head rest.


It's a deal. And bring those 4 sexy ladies with ya.

Seriously, though, it would take nothing short of millions marching - AGAIN - stop this deal from going through.
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Re: House Resolution Calls for Naval Blockade against Iran

Postby Polemic » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 20:26:33

Then Israel drags us into a shooting war a la Gulf of Tonkin or U.S.S. Liberty.

Then Iran really does sink our battleship.

Then?
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Re: House Resolution Calls for Naval Blockade against Iran

Postby DantesPeak » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 20:58:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbrovont', 'I')'d say the tankers Iran has holding somewhere around 28M bbl definitely have something to do with this, although what they plan to use it for is anyone's guess.

Like the article says, if they go through with this, it's as much as an act of war. If I'm correct, Iran relies heavily on imports of refined products such as gasoline and diesel. Does anyone know if they import those by pipeline or by tanker?

Without those fuels it won't take long for things to reach a breaking point there.



Those tankers are not owned by Iran, so maybe Iran does not believe they would be sunk.

Anyway, there are good reasons why the oil has been stored in this manner. In no particular order - Iran doesn't have much in the way of storage facilities, the oil is very heavy - and only a few refineries can handle it, Iran's refineries were undergoing maintenance, and lastly due to an electricity shortage they need more oil available imternally.


Blockading Iran would be a very stupid idea, unless for some reason we want to see the economies of India and China collapse without Iranian oil and we are prepared for China to dump the $1 trillion in US dollars it holds.
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Re: House Resolution Calls for Naval Blockade against Iran

Postby SILENTTODD » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 21:19:44

Iran has never deliberately attacked an American Naval vessel with the intent of murdering all on board as Israel has.

U.S.S. LIBERTY

How quickly our representatives forget.
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Re: House Resolution Calls for Naval Blockade against Iran

Postby mos6507 » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 23:33:43

I think this is fine as long as it's part of a UN mandate. I just don't think the US should make any unilateral moves.
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Re: House Resolution Calls for Naval Blockade against Iran

Postby geojap2 » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 23:53:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I') think this is fine as long as it's part of a UN mandate. I just don't think the US should make any unilateral moves.


"Fine"? You can't be serious.

All talk of whether it's right/wrong, justifiable/not justifiable aside, last I read Venezuela and Iran have a pact to support one another if attacked. I can think of only one or maybe two ways that this threat of retaliation could be accomplished. Oil supply, a la the 1970s OPEC embargo, would be the primary tool at hand, in my eyes.

Dante's points about the effect on Iran's customers looms large in the background. And all this is "fine"?

For the love of god, when will we stop being Israel's puppet and make them fend for themselves?
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Re: House Resolution Calls for Naval Blockade against Iran

Postby TheDude » Fri 20 Jun 2008, 03:44:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'T')hose tankers are not owned by Iran, so maybe Iran does not believe they would be sunk.


Iran does have tankers though, the National Iranian Tanker Company was on its way to becoming the world's 4th largest a few years ago. Fleet was mostly built in South Korea I believe.

Iran's electricity is generated by 75% NG, 18% oil, 7% hydro. Perhaps they're diverting more oil to exports to cope with US sanctions and stressing the impact of drought on hydro all the more.
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Re: House Resolution Calls for Naval Blockade against Iran

Postby Roy » Fri 20 Jun 2008, 07:34:27

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Re: House Resolution Calls for Naval Blockade against Iran

Postby Cashmere » Fri 20 Jun 2008, 08:48:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('geojap2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I') think this is fine as long as it's part of a UN mandate. I just don't think the US should make any unilateral moves.


"Fine"? You can't be serious.


Of course he's serious - in a resident Zionist kind of way.


If you're a Zionist, the analysis is very easy.

You ask . . .

"Will this action benefit Israel?"

If the answer is "yes", then the action is supported.

Really makes life simple.

Of course, the act must be disguised, and that is accomplished by making it a "UN" action or at least a "multilateral" action.

Worst case scenario is that they have to go it alone - then all of the fall out will be blamed on Israel.

Second worst case scenario is that they buy the U.S.'s participation. The U.S. becomes the hired thug, and later it all can be said to be a "bipartisan" or "joint" action, thus deflecting blame.
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Re: House Resolution Calls for Naval Blockade against Iran

Postby geojap2 » Fri 20 Jun 2008, 09:47:52

This might deserve its own topic, but it's directly related to this one as well.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')rude oil rose as the weaker dollar enhanced the appeal of commodities as a currency hedge and the New York Times reported that Israel held a rehearsal for a potential bombing attack on nuclear targets in Iran.

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An Israeli military exercise involving more than 100 F-16 and F-15 fighters seems to have been a rehearsal for a bombing attack on Iran's nuclear facilities and long-range conventional missiles, the New York Times reported, citing several unidentified U.S. officials.


100 fighters is not a trivial amount. That's a sizable exercise.
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Re: House Resolution Calls for Naval Blockade against Iran

Postby vetusfirma » Fri 20 Jun 2008, 09:57:01

Alright children, remember this is all about PEAK OIL. Of course we are in Iraq, it's the only way to surround Iran and control the oil. Of course we are going to stop Iran from controlling the region thur nuclear fear.

Just hating Jews and America is not going to keep the lights on here. If you hate Jews so much, go to Gaza. If you love Chavez so much, go to Venezuela.

Me, I'm gonna take care of mine, and I don't care what the rest of the world does. Remember, all the oil will be used. It's just a matter of 'who' will do the using.
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Re: House Resolution Calls for Naval Blockade against Iran

Postby geojap2 » Fri 20 Jun 2008, 10:06:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vetusfirma', 'A')lright children, remember this is all about PEAK OIL. Of course we are in Iraq, it's the only way to surround Iran and control the oil. Of course we are going to stop Iran from controlling the region thur nuclear fear.

Just hating Jews and America is not going to keep the lights on here. If you hate Jews so much, go to Gaza. If you love Chavez so much, go to Venezuela.

Me, I'm gonna take care of mine, and I don't care what the rest of the world does. Remember, all the oil will be used. It's just a matter of 'who' will do the using.


Silly me, I hadn't realized my latent man-crush on Chavez until now.

You fail to realize that the cascading set of events caused by an attack on Iran will most likely prevent you, and almost everyone else in the USA, from "taking care of mine". It could be one step too far over the edge for our government. You are not an island, which all the "USA first!" ape-men in this country seem to erroneously believe.
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Re: House Resolution Calls for Naval Blockade against Iran

Postby pup55 » Fri 20 Jun 2008, 10:22:24

US House of Representatives

If anyone cares to read the actual bill, you will see the following:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '(')3) demands that the President initiate an international effort to immediately and dramatically increase the economic, political, and diplomatic pressure on Iran to verifiably suspend its nuclear enrichment activities by, inter alia, prohibiting the export to Iran of all refined petroleum products; imposing stringent inspection requirements on all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains, and cargo entering or departing Iran; and prohibiting the international movement of all Iranian officials not involved in negotiating the suspension of Iran's nuclear program; and


which does not say squat about the 4 million barrels of crude oil that they export from Iran but only about the imports into Iran of refined products. We all know, from our frequent reading of PO.com, that Iran has very limited refining capability and is a net importer of refined products. They get these imports from their neighbors, and this resolution means squat to them.

So, in essence, this is a lot of blah blah posturing by Gary Ackerman of New York, and is 100% pandering because it is election year.

This guy, who represents Queens and Long Island, introduces some sort of ant-Arab andi-Persian resolution roughly every 4 months, because he is one of the most heavily Jewish congressional districts in the country, and also is heavily involved in south Asian issues, because his district is one of the most heavily South Asian in the country.

The reason it has 169 sponsors is that there are enough people that need to go back to their districts and say that they favor tough negotiating against Iran, but not an outright attack, but not do anything that will substantially hurt the economy.

So this thing will go to committee, it will hang out and do nothing for a few months, and even if it somehow makes it to the floor and passes, it is an "urging" or a "demanding" and has no foundation in law, and even if it did, Bush would not hesitate to ignore it if he felt like it.

So this amounts to nothing.

I have not investigated the lunatic fringe website this came from, but it is probably full of this wacko stuff.

The frequent viewers of PO.com have nothing to worry about from this particular resolution.
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Re: House Resolution Calls for Naval Blockade against Iran

Postby dorlomin » Fri 20 Jun 2008, 10:48:47

hmmmmmm well they had better hurry up if they are going to bomb as the clerics have grown tired of the ex mayor of Tehran and his bombastic style of presidency.

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His likely replacement seems altogether more suave and have a better grip on how to avoid the confrontational rhetoric that gets Iran into hotwater internationaly.
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Re: House Resolution Calls for Naval Blockade against Iran

Postby Chuckmak » Fri 20 Jun 2008, 11:05:34

Part of me is thinking Russia and China will draw a big circle around Iran and tell the Americans/Israelis don't even think about it.
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Re: House Resolution Calls for Naval Blockade against Iran

Postby Medeno » Fri 20 Jun 2008, 13:02:39

H.CON.RES.362 now has 169 Cosponsors (another 23 in the last two days). There are I believe 535 house members. I would think this would be the top of the headlines. For more information and current status, check,

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z ... .res.00362:
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