[Cashmere]

LUDI - I'm sorry my comment brought out the irrational feminist in you.

For someone who is so level headed about so much, it's a shame that your possession of a vagina so heavily biases your opinion on this matter.

I'd be very curious to see how your opinion would differ if we could somehow manage to affix a penis to you.


In short, it's a spectrum. On the scale of how to control population, the following is ordered by effectiveness.


Stern Reprimands.
Handing out condoms.
Administering birth control directly.
Sterilizing men.
Sterilizing women.

So if you want the best bang for the buck, you simply condition the acceptance of food to females on their receiving an injection that permanently prevents their ovaries from making viable eggs.

Let's say that costs X dollars.

You spend X dollars, and every woman who comes in drops from the breeding population.

1 administration, 1 less breeder.

Let's say you do the same thing for men - vasectomies are too expensive for me, so let's say we develop chemical sterilization.

So you spend X dollars, and your breeding population drops by zero.

The question then is, how much has the babies per woman number dropped based on every male?

If you average 3 babies per female, for example, you lower the total population by 3 people in 1 generation for every female you sterilize.

How much is that average lowered by sterilizing 1 male - clearly not 3.

Citing animal studies is, frankly, stupid.

Women are smart enough to figure out to sample multiple men when they want to get pregnant.

Look at the black community - how many partners does the average black female in the inner city have by age 20?

In that community, a sterilization rate of 50% of males would likely result in a much smaller population drop than the 50% it would in females.


In short, I don't really give a rats ass who you sterilize - men, women, both, neither - but it's stupid to suggest that sterilizing women wouldn't be substantially superior to sterilizing men.

[Ludi]

Excellent flame, Cashmere. Really supports your argument well, I think.


I'm not sterilizing anyone.


My husband has had a vasectomy, however. Maybe you can ask him to give you the "penis perspective" on this matter.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '
')Overall, it shockes me when someone is suggesting vasectomies for population control.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')Nobody performs vasectomies on animals, though. They castrate

[Ludi]

Anyway, just to be flounce around being more irrationally feminist, the main problem I have with the "chemical sterilization for food" program is the coercion aspect. I don't like coercion of anyone. I would not want to be sterilized in exchange for food, personally, so I do not want to advocate that for anyone else.

So if that indicates my brain has fallen out through my vagina, oh well.

[VMarcHart]

Gadzooks, Scoob! How did this thing go from roaming to castrating?

Anyhoo ... I think the thick of the masses will roam where they are; in the cities. The braver will get on bicycles and go camping 24/7 near places where they can "borrow" small things now and then. I hope and will probably be in the second group.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', 'T')he braver will get on bicycles and go camping 24/7 near places where they can "borrow" small things now and then. I hope and will probably be in the second group.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')No, if you'd read the link, they sterilize males in a way which will enable them to continue to have sex.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')Learn something new every day.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I') think what's more likely is a "zombie horde lite" which is just people strategically moving from collapsing cities to rural regions. In so doing they will destroy these rural areas with thier sheer numbers. They will move while they still have the means to do so.

[cube]

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I') think what's more likely is a "zombie horde lite" which is just people strategically moving from collapsing cities to rural regions. In so doing they will destroy these rural areas with thier sheer numbers. They will move while they still have the means to do so.

[emailking]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('biofuel13', 'T')his will ripple outward from the cities further and further into the countryside.

[Schneider]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fredrik', ' ')A starving nation with nukes would be more problematic if they're next to you and you had none, but this would be quite exceptional.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'i') nominate this post as the most naive of this month. Any objections?

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'i') nominate this post as the most naive of this month. Any objections?

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'i') nominate this post as the most naive of this month. Any objections?

[truecougarblue]

Pretorian, I totally disagree with this, especially the 1 in 5000 odds.

If I know some group or individual is coming, (and I do know because my dog is barking at them) then unless they have special training the odds are most definitely in MY favor, even if I do nothing until I hear glass breaking or a door being kicked in. When that happens even in today's world, (and not the post apocalyptic fantasy being discussed) one is entirely within one's right to take the intruder out.

I would say the odds of 3 of them taking me and my wife down in our own home are about the same as the odds that they are all armed with shotguns.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'a')d hominen snippage

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 's')nippage of individual encounter possibilities..