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THE Mutant Zombie Hordes Thread pt 2 (merged)

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THE Mutant Zombie Hordes Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby Jenab6 » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 17:38:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'C')ross-country:

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Looks like one of the easier spots on the route for the Montrail Ultra Cup cross country run.
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Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?

Postby JPL » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 17:38:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charliehelyes', ' ')many remote communities in scotland are self sufficient living the way there ancestors did before the discovery of oil


Excuse me, is this fantasy Scotland or real Scotland?

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Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?

Postby allenwrench » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 17:42:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'M')y guess is that there will be very little roaming, on the whole.

Of course, 10% of 360 million is 36 million roamers.

I don't see the zombie hordes being organized, fanning out, raping farms and farm girls.

I see massive city riots, a slow burn toward starvation.

I see the government handing out food contingent upon taking long term birth control - that's really where it has to go.

Only give a woman food if she agrees to chemical sterilization and you solve the Peak Oil problem in 1 generation.






Scenario sounds plausible. Although pop control is a no-no for most people they just can't fathom it.

I posted about population control to another group and one responder commented "if eating babies is right I want to be wrong."

Well, I have no answer as to how to go about pop control, but I can see we have too many people in our world for the limited resources that are available.

If the world was a perfect entity, no, the gov should not dictate pop control...but we are far from perfect.

Our future existence on this planet will demand some form of pop control, but I think nature will take care of that problem in the not so distant future.

The world is in a death spiral and politicians as well as industry are pretending this problem does not exist. We can only blame ourselves, for it is just how we have built our world over the years....too many people, living outside of natures intended balance and not an infinite supply of energy to fuel all our demands.

It would be one thing if we all reverted back to rural living, burning trees for fuel and housing and living within our comfortable means allotted to us by nature, as our ancestors did back in the day. But 7 billion people can't burn the trees!

The public just won't not go for pop control...too UN-American...goes against our religious upbringings...too controversial and all of the rest. I can hear the cries now...Communist!...Atheist!...Baby Killer....Hitler....Impeach the President!!!!

I think nature will help us humans out with that hard decision - for nature does not discriminate nor find the truth too controversial or provocative or opinionated to be true. And in the end, nature will settle the dispute of population control with even handed justice by removing excess population just as it does with all its species, ever reminding us all that nature does not bow to man...it is always man that bows to nature.
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Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?

Postby allenwrench » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 17:47:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hironegro', 'T')he government will either ice them or giving them sufficent rations.


Someone told me the gov may already be on the pop decreasing mode with chemtrails. Have no idea if it is in their agenda or just urban legend.


http://educate-yourself.org/ct/
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Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?

Postby allenwrench » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 17:49:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('abelardlindsay', 'Y')ou know.... people who are starving to death don't have a lot of energy to move around. The authorities will still have gas and probably set up armed checkpoints to control the movements of people into and out of areas. The distribution of food stocks will be highly politicized. After all, the person with the power to distribute food decides who gets to live and who doesn't. The mechanics of how it would operate would be akin to how terror famines operated in the old Soviet Union.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

FYI, During the Persian Famines of the late 19th century Wheat reached a price 10x higher than the salary of a typical laborer. Social unrest gripped the cities. Wish I could read the rest of this article...

http://www.jstor.org/pss/617680



Good points.
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Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?

Postby abelardlindsay » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 18:24:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charliehelyes', 'h')istorical examples dont count even in extreme examples i cant recall 50% plus of a educatated society not riot before starving people in europe riot and cause revolutions civil wars long before they starve even in the holocaust starving prisoners organised a mass break out in one of the camps


Please show me a single historical example of hordes of zombies roving the countryside...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines
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Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?

Postby mos6507 » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 18:37:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hironegro', 'T')he government will either ice them or giving them sufficent rations.


Someone told me the gov may already be on the pop decreasing mode with chemtrails. Have no idea if it is in their agenda or just urban legend.


http://educate-yourself.org/ct/


Then they are doing a REALLY BAD JOB of it, which is par for the course anyway. :)
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Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?

Postby cube » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 18:41:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', 'A')lthough pop control is a no-no for most people they just can't fathom it.
Bingo!
Correct me if I'm wrong but population control has only been successful in non-democratic countries. A good example would be China's infamous 1 child policy. The government pulled every trick out of the bag from using propaganda to literally giving out cash bonuses.
As for other countries....
India is the world capital for aborting female babies but despite this they still can't keep there population in check.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', 'I') posted about population control to another group and one responder commented "if eating babies is right I want to be wrong."
unfortunately I think you've just described 51% of the population this is why my crystal ball sees a hard crash and NOT a soft landing.
Over-population is like an elephant in the room. EVERYBODY knows it's a problem but nobody wants to talk about it.
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Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?

Postby kjmclark » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 18:58:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'C')ross-country:

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Hey! Prickly pear - yum!

I would guess that most starving masses wouldn't try to go far and mostly wouldn't succeed if they tried. However, the starving masses I'm concerned about are gangs, teens/young adults who might join gangs, people selling or transporting drugs, and the prison population that the state releases when it can't afford to house them any longer. I suppose you could add former military, though for different reasons.

Now, what percentage of the US population is gang members, potential gang members, prisoners, and former or current military? I would expect the veterans to mostly be willing to work for the food, and only take it if the answer is no and there are no other options. The criminal types I don't expect to bother to ask. It would only take a few armed gang members to ruin your day.
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Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?

Postby allenwrench » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 19:55:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charliehelyes', 'i') dont know where this stupid idea that people will just sit and starve comes from survival instinct will take over rain water plus fat reserves and whats in there cuboards will keep people going a few months people will realise whats coming a year before as people starve in poorer countries ppl will riot long before it gets that extreme and cutting off the fat of health care ect will happen long before food will be last to go humans can live on incredibly small amounts of food less then americans realise



Yes, we can live for many weeks or a month or more without eating before we die, but water is not so forgiving as food.

I think food will be unaffordable by many in the future.
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Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?

Postby allenwrench » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 20:01:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charliehelyes', ' ')many remote communities in scotland are self sufficient living the way there ancestors did before the discovery of oil


I wouldn't personally put those remote folks in the category of "the starving masses."

I think few people here are suggesting everyone will sit around and die of starvation. Just many, possibly most, people.


What I had in mind when I posted the question was the big cities where they are dependent on food being brought in and not so much local stuff grown.
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Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?

Postby mos6507 » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 20:06:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', '
')What I had in mind when I posted the question was the big cities where they are dependent on food being brought in and not so much local stuff grown.


Hey, but I thought the city was more 'energy efficient' than the suburbs, as the mantra goes, right? I guess the food part doesn't matter, right? You can't eat, but at least your heating bill will be lower.
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Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?

Postby truecougarblue » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 20:19:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', '
')Yes, we can live for many weeks or a month or more without eating before we die, but water is not so forgiving as food.


Yep, remember the rule of 2.

Air = 2 minutes
Water = 2 days
Food = 2 weeks

Surpass any of those timeframes and your survival is not probable. Approach any of them and you will be in no conditon to join a roving band.
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Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?

Postby allenwrench » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 20:23:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', 'A')lthough pop control is a no-no for most people they just can't fathom it.
Bingo!
Correct me if I'm wrong but population control has only been successful in non-democratic countries. A good example would be China's infamous 1 child policy. The government pulled every trick out of the bag from using propaganda to literally giving out cash bonuses.
As for other countries....
India is the world capital for aborting female babies but despite this they still can't keep there population in check.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', 'I') posted about population control to another group and one responder commented "if eating babies is right I want to be wrong."
unfortunately I think you've just described 51% of the population this is why my crystal ball sees a hard crash and NOT a soft landing.
Over-population is like an elephant in the room. EVERYBODY knows it's a problem but nobody wants to talk about it.



Yes..we have no other choice other than what we know.

We talk of living in a sustainable world, yet our actions betray our true feelings. All we have to do is to look at the stock market to see what happens when growth declines even a little.
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Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?

Postby truecougarblue » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 20:31:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kjmclark', '
')Hey! Prickly pear - yum!


I served my mission for the LDS church in Mexico, Sonoran desert to be precise. The family that fed us breakfast and dinner would use the food allowance given them to supplement thier own diet so near the end of every month the vittles would get pretty scarce.

Not to worry, they had a great cactus patch out back!

(In bubba voice from Forrest Gump)

nopal con huevo, nopal con arroz, nopal con frijol, nopal a la plancha, nopal en sopa, nopal con nopal...

While I consider prickly pear emminently edible, the last thing I think when I see it is, "YUM!"

BTW, I bet there are thistles and skunk weed in there too.
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Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?

Postby Ludi » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 21:56:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'M')y guess is that there will be very little roaming, on the whole.


Only give a woman food if she agrees to chemical sterilization and you solve the Peak Oil problem in 1 generation.



Scenario sounds plausible. Although pop control is a no-no for most people they just can't fathom it.


Wouldn't it be more effective population control just to let the women starve to death?
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Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?

Postby Ludi » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 22:16:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('truecougarblue', '
')While I consider prickly pear emminently edible, the last thing I think when I see it is, "YUM!"


Not a lot of calories in cactus pads - more of a filler than a food you could survive on.
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Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?

Postby Ludi » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 22:22:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', ' ') If you sterilize 90% of the men, the birthrate might not drop much. No, not much at all.


Animal studies show sterilization of males to be an effective method of population control.

"Sexually sterile males that retain their sexual vigor and behavior will exert greater influence in regulating animal populations than can be achieved by destroying or removing the same number of individuals from the population. This hypothesis is supported by calculations showing theoretical population trends in assumed insect and animal populations subjected to treatments that destroy or eliminate certain percentages of the individuals as compared with a procedure that retains or replaces the same number of males in the population after sterilization. The maximum regulating effect that can be achieved is in direct proportion to the ratio of sterile to fertile males competing for mates."

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/a ... 0/3380/902

Sterile males continue to compete for mates, reducing the number of successful fertilizations. Sterilizing males is the preferred practice for controlling animal populations. Why would it be different for humans? Men don't generally have the drive to have a baby that women have, they mainly seem to want to have sex. Sterilized men would still want to have sex, and would compete with fertile men for mates, reducing the total number of fertile unions.


However, male sterilization has a negative stigma in human populations, because men often erroneously assume it means loss of virility.
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Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?

Postby cube » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 23:01:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', '
')What I had in mind when I posted the question was the big cities where they are dependent on food being brought in and not so much local stuff grown.


Hey, but I thought the city was more 'energy efficient' than the suburbs, as the mantra goes, right? I guess the food part doesn't matter, right? You can't eat, but at least your heating bill will be lower.

There are people who live in the 3rd world on $300/month in densely populated cities. If they can afford to eat food sent in 3,000 miles away I'm quite certain somebody with 10 times the income in a 1st world nation should have no problem.
'energy efficient'

BTW I have yet to hear anyone give a counter-argument to this point. 8)
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Re: Will starving masses roam or stay put?

Postby truecougarblue » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 23:51:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')Not a lot of calories in cactus pads - more of a filler than a food you could survive on.


That would explain how I lost 50lbs. while in Mexico. It was either that or amoebic dysentery, or typhoid, or a combination of the three.

At least no one tried to poison me. My little brother went to Paraguay on his mission and some nice lady fed him and his companion soup laced with lye. He actually suffers from a bit of post traumatic stress over that.
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