[aflurry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Drifter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'J')evon in action.

[green_achers]

Gore is a pretty risible creature, but it seems that some of the people here want to throw everything he does into the grab-bag of hypocrisy. I personally don't have much problem with his jetting about to spread the word about GW or for any gainful employment, for that matter. He's just doing what big-money promoter types do for a living. His message is a good one, so I wish him the best on that one. Sure beats most consumer promotion or mindless entertainment and all of the rest of that crap.

What disturbs me about this discussion is that every time there's talk about conservation, some Neanderthal doo-doo head spouts off what that all-too predictable line: "Well, why aren't you living in a cave?" It's not hypocrisy to argue for policy changes that would nudge us all into a more conserving lifestyle while not personally dressing in sackcloth and going barefoot. It will require the use of resources to mount a political and social movement to conserve resources. That's just the reality of life in a society in which everything has to be sold like a consumer product.

And, as someone implied above, we don't know what Gore's total domestic energy consumption, only his electricity use. I smell a biased source here. Let's not buy into it too fast.

[green_achers]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aflurry', 'S')orry, this has absolutely nothing to do with Jevons.

[aflurry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('green_achers', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aflurry', 'S')orry, this has absolutely nothing to do with Jevons.

[meekoil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aflurry', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dsula', 'd')oes anybody know how it's even possible to burn that much electricity. Seriously, what is he doing. Having an aluminum smelter in the basement?

[AlexdeLarge]

President Bush lives totally of the Grid in Crawford Texas. But only Algore gets credit for being green for pushing the GW myth.

Political Correctness wins the day, wake up sheepeople!!

[aflurry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', 'P')resident Bush lives totally of the Grid

[Fishman]

So:
Gore may have made the same mistake that millions of well meaning consumers who want to "do something" to mitigate...

implies the wonder boy is an idiot, that I can agree with.

And:
illegal war, domestic spying, political firing of federal judges, outing of spies
Lets elect Obama and put this to the test. Put your vote where your mouth is . Seven years and no attacks, you win, an attack and ... the end of the Democratic Party. High stakes, don't you think?

[Peleg]

Somebody needs to invite Gore to this site. He is enough of an individual to handle peak oil. His proposals for increased efficiency are good but they only act as incentives to growth as long as energy supply is growing. That is the problem we are addicted to growth, growth makes it all go round.

I am going to go over to his site and actually invite him to come over here.

[green_achers]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aflurry', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('green_achers', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aflurry', 'S')orry, this has absolutely nothing to do with Jevons.

[AlexdeLarge]

I'm not a big fan, but maybe people don't give President Bush credit for doing more about helping us survive peak oil than anyone else. Bush and Cheney are oil people. If the peak is here, then they would know it! I reference this earlier article you may be familiar with:

After Oil
By David Fleming
(C) Prospect Magazine, November 2000

"Only one country has the potential for a serious increase in output, on a scale which could make a difference. The bad news is: that country is Iraq. Iraq's oil geology is not fully explored, but there are some well-informed guesses. One estimate is that there are 110 billion barrels there--equal to more than three British North Seas, or more than one third of the total resource once possessed by Saudi Arabia. This oil could not be made immediately available, but it is on a scale to keep world oil production rising for a few more years. It lies, however, in a country which is armed to the teeth, consumed by loathing of the west, and just waiting for a US armed intervention to make its day. Iraq was prevented from selling off its oil during the 1990s, when prices were lower than they will ever be again; it will soon be well placed to apply its own sanctions to the rest of the world by fine-tuning its output and naming its price."

http://www.geocities.com/davidmdelaney/ ... eming.html

China was making overtures to Sadam to secure rights to the oil. So did Bush/Blair do what they had to do in the short run to prevent collaspe of western economies? Can you tell the sheepeople the truth?? Or do you have to mask your actions in the cloth of a so called "just war" ???

Maybe Bush is peak oil believer just like us and did what had to be done...."in the short run." He lives of the grid and now our armies sit on top of the last large supply of oil in the world.

The spice must flow!

[AlexdeLarge]

Here is a doo-doo head article I posted earlier for you to consume.

An interesting article concerning John Coleman's (Founder of the Weather Channel) Comments Before the San Diego Chamber of Commerce. Coleman talks about GW and the Algore's "claims"! Enjoy!!


Here is the link:
http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemanscor ... 42304.html

[green_achers]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', 'I')'m not a big fan, but maybe people don't give President Bush credit for doing more about helping us survive peak oil than anyone else.

Bush and Cheney are oil people. If the peak is here, then they would know it!

[AlexdeLarge]

LOL Last time I checked, the middle east has been pissed off at us and the rest of the west long before Bush! As for Chevez, he is just your average garden variety communist thug.... just trying to make life better for us "Proletariats"! Hugo's vitriol is no different than what comes out of the daily Kos and the radical left everyday, He just wants to be loved by them! LOL

But its good to know you keep an open mind!

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aflurry', ' ')Gore's main defense is that he chooses energy from renewable sources, and that he buys offsetting carbon credits

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', '"')Only one country has the potential for a serious increase in output, on a scale which could make a difference. The bad news is: that country is Iraq. Iraq's oil geology is not fully explored, but there are some well-informed guesses. One estimate is that there are 110 billion barrels there--equal to more than three British North Seas, or more than one third of the total resource once possessed by Saudi Arabia.

[AlexdeLarge]

Buying Carbon Offsets! LOL What a load of crap. That has to be the biggest scam since bottled water!!!

And good ole Algore is a major stockholder and scam director of one the companies that does intend to sell/trade these "carbon credits" to the politically correct clueless and the industries he hopes to shake down.

While your out buying your carbon credits, Perhaps you would consider a donation to the "Human Fund"..... care of Vandalay Industries !!! LOL

[emersonbiggins]

"Carbon credits" are the new "Federal Reserve Note" - created out of thin air, and the circulation of which makes an infinitesimally small group of people even more wealthy and powerful.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aflurry', 'W')ell, first i'd like an explanation of how it even relates to jevons...

[Isochroma]

232kwh? he's running a gro-op for sure
time to call the cops