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THE Al Gore Thread pt 2 (merged)

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Re: Gore’s home guzzles even more energy after gre

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 18 Jun 2008, 19:24:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Isochroma', '2')32kwh? he's running a gro-op for sure
time to call the cops


Cut him some slack. He's trying to start a tokamak fusion reactor in his basement.
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Re: Gore’s home guzzles even more energy after green renovat

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Wed 18 Jun 2008, 19:31:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Isochroma', '2')32kwh? he's running a gro-op for sure
time to call the cops

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Gore’s home guzzles even more energy after green renovat

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 18 Jun 2008, 20:10:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', ' ') He's a real unctuous drip in any case, which is unfortunate.


But the whales love him.
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Re: Gore’s home guzzles even more energy after green renovat

Unread postby Isochroma » Wed 18 Jun 2008, 20:11:43

yeah i bet those floating toxic waste pods love him
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Re: Gore’s home guzzles even more energy after green renovat

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 18 Jun 2008, 20:14:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '[')
First, there is no carbon release from "renewable sources."


Well, yeah, actually there can be. Trees are 100% renewable, but if you burn them, you release CO2. Same with any other plant-based fuel.
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Re: Gore’s home guzzles even more energy after green renovat

Unread postby Javaman » Wed 18 Jun 2008, 20:17:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Forney2008', 'N')ot to defend the man, but what would his energy use be by use per square foot. Considering he has such a large house compared to most Americans, would it not be more appropriate to compare the average American's home energy use per square foot to that of Al Gore's use to see just how much of an "energy hog" Al Gore really is?


Even on a energy use per square foot basis he is using more than average. You could argue that he doesn't really need such a large house in the first place. Certainly he shouldn't have the heated pool. Or travel around by private jet so often.

Maybe if it were possible to differentiate his personal energy use from that of his business, it would be easier to take him seriously.
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Re: Gore’s home guzzles even more energy after green renovat

Unread postby mistel » Wed 18 Jun 2008, 22:45:35

It is very easy to heat a pool with solar energy. I have installed several systems in Toronto, Canada, much further north than Gore's house. It is actually the best bang for your buck in alternative energy. Gore has no excuse if he doesn't have one.
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Re: Gore’s home guzzles even more energy after green renovat

Unread postby Cabrone » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 06:33:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n the past year, Gore’s home burned through 213,210 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity, enough to power 232 average American households for a month.


I like how they deliberately compare Gore's use per year against the average American's use per month, probably hoping (correctly) that the dopes they preach to will be confused.

The actual comparison is Gore uses 19.3 times the average American household, not great but no-where as bad as 232 times.

Factor in what he is doing (running a busy and effective campaign to get the climate change message out) and how busy he must be doing it and it doesn't seem to me to be as bad as this article wants you to believe.

As for the question about him buying carbon credits, I'd imagine it is for his flying\car footprint.

Keep it up Al, you're doing a good job.
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Re: Gore’s home guzzles even more energy after green renovat

Unread postby Javaman » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 06:41:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mistel', 'I')t is very easy to heat a pool with solar energy. I have installed several systems in Toronto, Canada, much further north than Gore's house. It is actually the best bang for your buck in alternative energy. Gore has no excuse if he doesn't have one.


Of course the solar heating system would still require some fossil fuel inputs to build, deliver and install, as did the construction of the pool.
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Re: Gore’s home guzzles even more energy after green renovat

Unread postby Blacksmith » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 07:28:59

You expected more from Mr Potatoe Head?
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Re: Gore’s home guzzles even more energy after green renovat

Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 08:28:18

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Re: Gore’s home guzzles even more energy after green renovat

Unread postby seahorse » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 09:13:15

So, Al Gore's power usage could power 250 U.S. homes? US homes are not known for being conservative, so, how many homes would Gore's usage power in China? India? Russia? Zimbabwe? The guy's a fraud. He's given a Nobel Prize for his "green" message when the world would be a lot greener without his big fat, gas guzzling, ass flying around everywhere and using too much AC when he is at home.
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The truth about Al Gore

Unread postby cualcrees » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 13:12:57

Yesterday I saw an article in digg criticizing Al Gore; most of the comments where negative and, as you can imagine, all of the GW deniers had a field day saying how GW is a scam, a big conspiracy and how he only does all of this for the money, and so on...

In the interest of full disclosure, I do believe GW is real and i also like Mr. Gore and I really enjoyed his movie.

My question is, how do you all feel about him? Is he the real deal? What's the consensus regarding him (if there's one) amongst the global-warming-believers community?

Thanks! :)
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Re: The truth about Al Gore

Unread postby Petrodollar » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 14:49:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat's the consensus regarding him (if there's one) amongst the global-warming-believers community?


Is that a serious question?

Assuming you are serious, please read wikipedia if you want an answer to what most folks see as self-evident...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n 2007, Gore was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize (together with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) for "efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change." He is also the author of the 2006 text, An Inconvenient Truth on the topic of global warming and starred in the Academy Award-winning documentary An Inconvenient Truth, released in conjunction with the book. He helped to organize the 07 July 2007 benefit concert for global warming, Live Earth.


...The reality-based community holds Gore in fairly high regard. Its only the US-based, anti-science, anti-intellectual, anti-enviromental and rather brainwashed right-wing minority that continually bashes Al Gore and his crusade to educate others on the dangers of Global Warming. Its just the same old "attack the messenger" as opposed to addressing the message. The rest of the world likes Gore just fine.

BTW, about that US-based brainwashing. Fact#1: All 47 of the "anti-global warming" front organizations and pseudo-scientists were - and are - funded either directly or indirectly by ExxonMobile. Its amazing what that corporation has been able to acheive with only $18 million in a purposeful, highly structured "marketing"/ propaganda campaign from the late 1980s to the present - designed specifically to create the public impression of "uncertainty" in the scientific community regarding Global Warming. Read Gore's book, The Assault on Reason, and you'll learn a thing or two about the ugly reality of ExxonMobile's veiled influence on this issue for the past 20 years.
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Re: The truth about Al Gore

Unread postby Peleg » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 14:58:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Petrodollar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat's the consensus regarding him (if there's one) amongst the global-warming-believers community?

Is that a serious question? Assuming your serious, please read wikipedia if you want an answer to what most folks see as self-evident... link
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n 2007, Gore was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize (together with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) for "efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change." He is also the author of the 2006 text, An Inconvenient Truth on the topic of global warming and starred in the Academy Award-winning documentary An Inconvenient Truth, released in conjunction with the book. He helped to organize the 07 July 2007 benefit concert for global warming, Live Earth.
...The reality-based community holds Gore in fairly high regard. Its only the US-based, anti-science, anti-intellectual, anti-enviromental and rather brainwashed right-wing minority that continually bashes Al Gore and his crusade to educate others on the danger of Global Warming. Its just the same old "attack the messenger" as opposed to addressing the message. The rest of the world likes Gore just fine.
BTW, about that US-based brainwashing. Fact#1: All 47 of the "anti-global warming" front organizations and pseudo-scientists were - and are - funded either directly or indirectly by ExxonMobile. Its amazing what that corporation has been able to acheive with only $18 million in a purposeful, highly structured "marketing"/propaganda campaign from the late 1980s to the present. Read Gore's book, The Assault on Reason, and you'll learn a thing or two about the ugly reality of ExxonMobile's veiled influence on this issue for the past 20 years.

Dude, the legitimate criticism of Al Gore is that flourscent lightbulbs are not going to save the day. And in fact if he had had the guts to also understand peak oil he would have known that peak oil is real, imminent, and could be used to drive major investment in alternatives. The facts is... they's all lyin' to us. Peak Oil is not something that climate change folks should be happy about. The damage of GHGE's is already front loaded into the system. You need a way to bring further loading to a hault, stop being a punk and start talking about peak oil as another and more pressing consequence of how humans use fossil fuels. Now you have a platform, mitigating peak oil also mitigates climate change.

It's time for you policy wonks to stop indulging your unipolar fetishes and understand that both the right and left are leading us down a dimly lit path to destruction.

Grow up and understand the big picture!
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Re: The truth about Al Gore

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 15:04:10

I always kind of liked Al Gore for his nerdishness. I think he's kind of a jerk for using so darn much energy in his house.

I never saw his movie, didn't need to.
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Re: The truth about Al Gore

Unread postby Petrodollar » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 15:09:29

This was the question that was asked, and the one that I answered:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat's the consensus regarding him (if there's one) amongst the global-warming-believers community?


It was not a question about the "peak oil believers community."

...and btw, I am quite aware of the big picture, as outlined in my book, Petrodollar Warfare. For example...

http://www.greenleft.org.au/2007/697/36201

http://www.petrodollarwarfare.com/PDFs/ ... arfare.pdf
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Re: The truth about Al Gore

Unread postby mos6507 » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 15:16:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') always kind of liked Al Gore for his nerdishness. I think he's kind of a jerk for using so darn much energy in his house.

I never saw his movie, didn't need to.



Yeah, I mean I kind of draw the line at two monitors.

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Re: The truth about Al Gore

Unread postby DomusAlbion » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 15:37:21

He may be right about Global Warming, at least in the broad strokes, however he is a major hypocrite and he has all the sanctimonious charm of a Southern Evangelical preacher.

I don't like him in the least.
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Re: The truth about Al Gore

Unread postby hippiema1 » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 15:52:52

I'm a nerd, a progressive, a Southerner with a Harvard degree (just like Gore), and I voted for him every chance I got. But I've never been crazy about him.

Recently I've started realizing that he has the same weakness I have: he thinks a lot about what's right and wrong, but he's not very good at acting on it.

His version of acting is all about showing others what's wrong--and he's done it in several different and very effective ways. That is all to the good--but...

I think I'd find him more compelling if he seemed to really feel things personally and do things tangibly. He always sounds like he's living in two worlds: the theoretical one where he has profound vision, and the daily one where he just stumbles along eating french fries with his eyes closed, like the rest of us.
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