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Are human beings hopelessly prey to delusion ?

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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby btu2012 » Tue 29 Apr 2008, 15:42:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', 'I') was suffering. Also, since at least 14 years old I've had mystic experiences, it was only natural that later, after investigating religions, I became Buddhist. If I already have this type of experiences, it's better to be less ignorant of reality, mind, and so on, because it can get weird and difficult to live.


The real question is why you had those experiences, and what they were meant to cover.

If you have enough courage to look for the truth.

Once you know that, you can set yourself on any path, buddhist or not.

"Experiences" are the worst delusion on the path to self-knowledge. It seems to me that you have not yet even started on that path.

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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby btu2012 » Tue 29 Apr 2008, 15:47:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ll I see are a varied set of beliefs suggesting each is better than the other and each trying ultimately to do one thing it seems ... all are after 'market share'....except the meek...what they seek is autonomy is a world that says you gotta believe in something...[...]Now here I present a AAA delusion for the sheeple people living in the EWE-SA.

Funny how the only thing you don't seem to see is your childish arrogance. The blind teaching the blind.
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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby btu2012 » Tue 29 Apr 2008, 16:06:30

Fuck off impostor. :) Go bullshit someone else. :roll: You know less about enlightenment than a dying frog. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby BigTex » Tue 29 Apr 2008, 16:23:10

I hate to see a group as enlightened as us breaking down into such unpleasantness toward one another.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '(')...)
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'u')nderstanding the irrelevance of some endeavours, like nihilism, frustration, anger, hate.


zensui, my friend, you are walking your own plank. When you talk about certain expressions being irrelevant, you are deluding yourself.

And you know this!


what expressions?! o_0


I highlighted and underlined them.
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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby bodigami » Tue 29 Apr 2008, 16:28:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', 'I') was suffering. Also, since at least 14 years old I've had mystic experiences, it was only natural that later, after investigating religions, I became Buddhist. If I already have this type of experiences, it's better to be less ignorant of reality, mind, and so on, because it can get weird and difficult to live.


The real question is why you had those experiences, and what they were meant to cover.

If you have enough courage to look for the truth.

Once you know that, you can set yourself on any path, buddhist or not.

"Experiences" are the worst delusion on the path to self-knowledge. It seems to me that you have not yet even started on that path.

Btu


You make a lot of assumptions. Experiences are significant in the path to self-knowledge. "It seems to me that you have not yet even started on that path."
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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby bodigami » Tue 29 Apr 2008, 16:31:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'I') hate to see a group as enlightened as us breaking down into such unpleasantness toward one another.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '(')...)
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'u')nderstanding the irrelevance of some endeavours, like nihilism, frustration, anger, hate.


zensui, my friend, you are walking your own plank. When you talk about certain expressions being irrelevant, you are deluding yourself.

And you know this!


what expressions?! o_0


I highlighted and underlined them.


ah, sorry... didn't mean that. More than irrelevance a better world should be fruitless, or causes of sick fruits.
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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby btu2012 » Tue 29 Apr 2008, 16:31:32

Zensui, you talked about pain and psychiatric experiences.

What makes you think that what you are experiencing now isn't similar in function but more "refined" ?

Maybe there is something that your ego doesn't want to see, because it would threaten its existence.

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PS: This isn't a contest about who is more enlightened. Drop this enlightenment charade, you'll feel more natural. :)
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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby bodigami » Tue 29 Apr 2008, 16:39:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', 'Z')ensui, you talked about pain and psychiatric experiences.

What makes you think that what you are experiencing now isn't similar in function but more "refined" ?

Maybe there is something that your ego doesn't want to see, because it would threaten its existence.

Btu

PS: This isn't a contest about who is more enlightened. Drop this enlightenment charade, you'll feel more natural. :)


actually, it has being more than a year after I started a prescription of psychiatric drugs... which I don't agree, basically I'm being forced into this (it is a prescription for ~2 years or something worst, but I will not give more information). On another context, I will have received help to complete a kundalini awakening. This is part of why I don't trust even my family.

However, for months I've had only "dry" ("theravada" jhanna meditation) mystic experiences, which can be described easily with just psychology and energy. It doesn't include hallucinations or "trips".

About Nirvana, it's not a charade and for the Nth time: I've not claimed being a buddha just being an anagami. The Path to Nirvana is the one I chosed for this life, this is not a contest of bullshiters, and it's getting offensive (charade, contest, converting, ...).
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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby btu2012 » Tue 29 Apr 2008, 16:51:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', 'a')ctually, it has being more than a year after I started a prescription of psychiatric drugs... which I don't agree, basically I'm being forced into this (it is a prescription for ~2 years or something worst, but I will not give more information). On another context, I will have received help to complete a kundalini awakening. This is part of why I don't trust even my family.


May I ask how old you are, if I am not imposing ?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')owever, for months I've had only "dry" ("theravada" jhanna meditation) mystic experiences, which can be described easily with just psychology and energy. It doesn't include hallucinations or "trips".


Do you eat enough ?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')bout Nirvana, it's not a charade .


Of course not, we make it so.

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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby BigTex » Tue 29 Apr 2008, 19:03:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ey buddha bud, EWE don't need to libel mi with false pics.
I have posted pics of mi here...true...getting younger by the day link

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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby btu2012 » Tue 29 Apr 2008, 20:19:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Waff, Whuff, Whoooooff....

Touched a nerve there, didn't I ? :wink: You big clueless wankering EWE . :) Enjoy your hurt ego. :roll:
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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby btu2012 » Tue 29 Apr 2008, 20:24:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'I')s this you?

He's sort of funny though. :)
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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby btu2012 » Tue 29 Apr 2008, 20:26:54

And here's for insulting Ludi. :roll:

You klutz. :)

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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby btu2012 » Tue 29 Apr 2008, 21:32:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..to mi, but not to a ewe.

It's very clear to many more people than you realize. The problem is that it's not so easy to change, once you seriously think about what could be done. What you describe are consequences of much deeper causes, such as the lack of self-awareness and control of human beings, and a depraved ethics.

It's always easier to blame humans and call them stupid than to do something which might help. In this way you are dishonest and lazy.

And it's very obvious that you have an ego problem, which means that you don't yet understand anything. Frankly, you are not in a position to bullshit about Buddha, Jesus and so on. You are way out of their league.

That you manage to imagine otherwise is a sign of the seriousness of your delusion and of your lack of virtue.

Oh, and this stuff about the many religions and cultures etc is bullshit you caught off from the media or from mediocre books. In practice any system that leads to virtue is OK, the cultural details make little difference. All this worry about the many paths and cultures and beliefs and so on is a comfortable pseudo-problem. Stop parroting the pseudo-intellectual nonsense of our age.
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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby bodigami » Tue 29 Apr 2008, 21:50:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', 'a')ctually, it has being more than a year after I started a prescription of psychiatric drugs... which I don't agree, basically I'm being forced into this (it is a prescription for ~2 years or something worst, but I will not give more information). On another context, I will have received help to complete a kundalini awakening. This is part of why I don't trust even my family.


May I ask how old you are, if I am not imposing ?


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')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')owever, for months I've had only "dry" ("theravada" jhanna meditation) mystic experiences, which can be described easily with just psychology and energy. It doesn't include hallucinations or "trips".


Do you eat enough ?


Why? I don't eat much, just enough. What will you ask next? My body weight and height?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')bout Nirvana, it's not a charade .

Of course not, we make it so.

Btu

Speak for yourself. To me it's not a charade, it's my life's goal with highest priority. :)
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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby bodigami » Tue 29 Apr 2008, 22:01:09

the point is still valid. Religions aren't evil by themselves, it's humans that are at fault and should change for a better society. Religions have being used for both good and evil, and there have being negative karma done from all of its followers. I'm cleaning this past karma, so I'm not just talking without acting.

But, before you insult some religion, think first of human nature. What's your purpose, really? Do you consider yourself to be "beyond good and evil"? What are your ethics? Why you insult everyone that is not you (by using "ewe" and "sheeple")?
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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby BigTex » Tue 29 Apr 2008, 22:15:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', 't')he point is still valid. Religions aren't evil by themselves, it's humans that are at fault and should change for a better society. Religions have being used for both good and evil, and there have being negative karma done from all of its followers. I'm cleaning this past karma, so I'm not just talking without acting.
But, before you insult some religion, think first of human nature. What's your purpose, really? Do you consider yourself to be "beyond good and evil"? What are your ethics? Why you insult everyone that is not you (by using "ewe" and "sheeple")?

zensui, do you scream at the monkeys when you go to the zoo?
What if they scream at you first?
He is not insulting you. He's just making monkey noises.

Insult is your interpretation.
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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby btu2012 » Tue 29 Apr 2008, 22:35:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', '2')2

Do you live with your parents ?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy? I don't eat much, just enough.

The type of meditation you seem to practice is very energy-hungry, if you eat too little or unbalanced then hallucinations may result.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')o me it's not a charade, it's my life's goal with highest priority. :)

You cannot progress unless you can control your experiences. Seriously Zensui, this can be dangerous.
What comes out of your unconscious is not to be trusted uncritically.
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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby btu2012 » Tue 29 Apr 2008, 22:39:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('golem', 'K')rishnamurti...ever hear of him?


Get that man out of your head. Together with theo-zophy.

Learn something about ethics first.

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Alice Ann Bailey, a leading disciple of the Russian theosophist Madame Helena Blavatsky, formed the Lucifer Publising Company in 1920. 1922 saw the organization's name changed to Lucis Trust though the advancement of the Luciferian beliefs remained true. Beliefs that in Blavatsky's words: “oppose the materialism of science and every dogmatic theology, especially the Christian, which the Chiefs of the Society regard as particularly pernicious.

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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby BigTex » Tue 29 Apr 2008, 23:12:14

I build on a a clue
Drops of galaxy glue
Swastikas strike me as true

I've seen the sign
In a masonic design
Patterns I love to combine

So while you stare dreaming
I think of fires and people screaming
I try to type out the meaning

I don't ever pray
I say namaste
With symbols I play

But you are all ewe
You don't know what is true
Just a foot in an ill-fitting shoe-

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