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The role of human delusion

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Are human beings hopelessly prey to delusion ?

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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby mos6507 » Sun 27 Apr 2008, 13:03:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '(')...)
How about love? Is that ultimately a delusion? Anyone want to take a crack at that one?


No, love is not a delusion. What is a delusion is misunderstanding something else as love.



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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby patience » Sun 27 Apr 2008, 13:18:00

Raph/G, Did you go by the moniker of photoguy on another forum?
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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby bodigami » Sun 27 Apr 2008, 15:21:48

Btu, You're judging someone you don't really know. And because you don't understand, you perceive my posts as something they're not.
So Jack is your role model? Did you too lack ethics?
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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby bodigami » Sun 27 Apr 2008, 15:25:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '(')...)Alright mr Buddha wannabe....give me your interpretation of the Right Hand Path vs. the Left Hand Path...(...)

You have much compassion to cultivate. Just say buddhist instead of "buddha wanabee". Have any pictures for Right Hand Path vs. the Left Hand Path? What does this paths have to do with duality? ewe just chosed one of two dualities instead of a non-dual one and call this unity?
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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby bodigami » Sun 27 Apr 2008, 15:26:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '(')...)
How about love? Is that ultimately a delusion? Anyone want to take a crack at that one?


No, love is not a delusion. What is a delusion is misunderstanding something else as love.

(...)


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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby BigTex » Sun 27 Apr 2008, 16:16:07

zensui, what country are you in?

That's a pretty oppressive place if they are banning 1980s Tina Turner videos.
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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby btu2012 » Sun 27 Apr 2008, 17:20:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', 'S')o Jack is your role model? Did you too lack ethics?

Jack doesn't lack ethics. He does what Diogenes used to do, namely try to point out our moral bankruptcy by playing the role of the predators among us. It takes great honesty to reach that sort of awareness of the human condition -- and a very unforgiving look at oneself.
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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby btu2012 » Sun 27 Apr 2008, 17:36:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', 'H')is posts doesn't make sense, but maybe he is on a different path that leads to the same "place". It may be interesting when we 2 understand each other's ramblings fully.

Raph's posts make a lot of sense. He wants to shock us into his awareness of depth. He fell off the deep end of the rabbit hole, to the place where philosophy starts and ends. But his pride blocks his perception of others, and his thinking is discombobulated because of anger.
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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 27 Apr 2008, 17:44:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', 'H')is posts make a lot of sense.

I can make little sense of them. Perhaps you can translate them for us sheep.
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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby btu2012 » Sun 27 Apr 2008, 17:48:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', 'H')is posts make a lot of sense.
I can make little sense of them. Perhaps you can translate them for us sheep.Thanks.

You have to take them metaphorically, his mind drugs itself by making free associations. They are not meant to be rational, it's a cry of desperation. He thinks that he is the only one who sees. I won't translate anything and I don't think that anyone is a "sheep". That seems to be other people's obsession. :)
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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 27 Apr 2008, 17:52:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', '
')I won't translate anything


Why not?

It seems to me he must have something else in mind besides "Wake up! You are in danger!" which seems to me his main message. But there seems to be more detail in it than that.
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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby btu2012 » Sun 27 Apr 2008, 17:55:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', '
')I won't translate anything


Why not?

It seems to me he must have something else in mind besides "Wake up! You are in danger!" which seems to me his main message. But there seems to be more detail in it than that.


He is the one who is in danger. He lost his ground, and has found no other to stand on.

He says what he believes quite clearly, if you have patience to read. But he makes no effort to communicate intelligibly, so you have to view it as free flow of associations.

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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 27 Apr 2008, 17:57:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', '
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He says what he believes quite clearly, if you have patience to read.



So you flat out refuse to help me understand it? Why??
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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby btu2012 » Sun 27 Apr 2008, 17:58:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'S')o you flat out refuse to help me understand it? Why??

It would be wrong of me to psychoanalyze him. He has a right to be, and I have no right to interfere with his process. Especially not in public.
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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 27 Apr 2008, 18:02:08

So what you are saying is there is no message in his posts, no message to us? Is that what you are saying?
I'm not asking you to psychoanalyze him; last I saw you were a physicist, not a psychologist or psychiatrist. I am asking someone to please explain the message of his's posts to us, if they understand it.
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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby btu2012 » Sun 27 Apr 2008, 18:08:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'S')o what you are saying is there is no message in his posts, no message to us? Is that what you are saying?

There is a lot of message to us and to himself. But I think that the message is in the subtext of what he says.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') am asking someone to please explain the message of his posts to us, if they understand it.

Maybe someone else wishes to do so, but since he himself doesn't want to be expository or explanatory, then in my opinion it would be presumptuous to "explain" him.
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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 27 Apr 2008, 18:11:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', ' ')it would be presumptuous to "explain" him.



Not him, his message!

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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby Pops » Sun 27 Apr 2008, 18:47:12

My Funk and Wagnells says delusion is:
An idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality.


I kinda think as a new reality changes our generally accepted reality, our idiosyncratic beliefs will probably change too.


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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby btu2012 » Sun 27 Apr 2008, 21:03:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')Not him, his message!

:-x


I think that his message is more about him than about our world, that's why I don't want to say any more. :)

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Re: The role of human delusion

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 27 Apr 2008, 21:10:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', '
')I think that his message is more about him than about our world, that's why I don't want to say any more. :)

Btu


Ok, thank you. Sorry about getting so frustrated. I read you saying "I know something, but I'm not going to tell you." This is the exact same response I have gotten when I've asked metaphysicists to provide some help in understanding an idea/symbol/etc. I felt you were brushing me off. I get unreasonably angry when I ask a question and am given an evasive answer, especially if it's done repeatedly. Eventually it causes me to give up asking questions altogether for a period. I can't take the stress. :(
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