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US$ GETTING DESTROYED!!! (71.31)

What's on your mind?
General interest discussions, not necessarily related to depletion.

What should we change the title of this thread to?

The US$ ain't worth sh!T?
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Bend Over Ben's T-Paper?
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Parity with peso or bust?
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So much for saving...US$ cratering hard?
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Amero...coming to a theatre near you...?
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The US$ defaults on global debts...?
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Nothing - leave the thread name alone - Rocc Roccs!!!
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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!! (72.87)

Postby Revi » Thu 06 Mar 2008, 21:56:09

I thought that the dollar was rallying earlier today, but it ended at a new low. What's going on? The price of oil hit a new record too, buoyed by the dollar tanking. Silver dropped back a bit, probably because people are taking profits. It's still over $20, though. I didn't think we were going to have $20 silver until the end of the year, but then I didn't think $4 gas was happening until later either. Here it comes...
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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!! (72.87)

Postby Micki » Thu 06 Mar 2008, 22:02:16

Have a break watch Faber bitch slap Bernake on Bloomberg again.
Nothing new but always entertaining.
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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!! (72.87)

Postby Hawkcreek » Thu 06 Mar 2008, 23:18:55

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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!! (72.87)

Postby Chuckmak » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 00:05:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hawkcreek', 'H')ow bout posting the quote from the day you started this thread, as well as the present quote in the title?
Like --- 83.67/72.97 or sumthin like that?


he should just post this link right in the subject:

[web]http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYBOT_DX&v=dmax[/web]
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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!! (72.87)

Postby The_Toecutter » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 00:27:16

The dollar is worth 80.22% of what it was January of 2006. 2.25 years have passed since then.

What does our government claim the inflation rate to be again?

(1 - 0.0933)^2.25 = 0.8022
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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!! (72.87)

Postby roccman » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 00:41:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'T')he dollar is worth 80.22% of what it was January of 2006. 2.25 years have passed since then.

What does our government claim the inflation rate to be again?

(1 - 0.0933)^2.25 = 0.8022


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')Bloomberg’s reporting that the inflation rate for Nov. 2007 ALONE was 3.2 %; annualized (without compounding) that’s 38.4% inflation rate for the year!"
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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!! (72.87)

Postby Gandalf_the_White » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 01:07:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'T')he dollar is worth 80.22% of what it was January of 2006. 2.25 years have passed since then.

What does our government claim the inflation rate to be again?

(1 - 0.0933)^2.25 = 0.8022


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')Bloomberg’s reporting that the inflation rate for Nov. 2007 ALONE was 3.2 %; annualized (without compounding) that’s 38.4% inflation rate for the year!"


Is'nt that a monthly estimate of the yearly equivalent rate? They are saying core inflation is somewhere around 3 to 4% per year. That does not count food and fuel which are both moving in the 10 to 20% range. So far that has not trickled deeply into the economy but it will show eventually. Has anyone notived that the municipal bond market has crashed? It was on bloomberg earlier today, a 318 billion dollar market swingin in the breeze abandoned by the big banks that had held it togther. So now alot of municipalities have not placed to off-load their debts. Peak Infrastructure on the way.
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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!! (72.46)

Postby roccman » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 11:35:48

"There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!! (72.46)

Postby The_Toecutter » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 16:21:28

It's time for employees to start demanding more and more raises, and for the government to index increases in the minimum wage to inflation monthly, and start backing the currency with a fixed value of resources.


Of course, they aren't going to do that...


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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!! (72.46)

Postby Revi » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 19:41:14

What? How could it keep dropping like this? What's it going to be worth by the end of the year?

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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!! (72.46)

Postby Iaato » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 20:28:31

USD/Gold charts Juxtaposed

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')A year ago, the highest denomination was 10,000 Zimbabwe dollars, then worth about 7 US dollars. The new 10 million Zimbabwe dollar note is 1,000 times last January’s top note, and worth 3 US dollars. During the year there were three separate new issues of notes as inflation continued to soar.
‘As monetary authorities we once again assure the nation that we are in full control of the currency situation,’ Gono said Thursday.
Economists say that the hyper-inflation is a result of the government’s stated policy of printing cash when it runs out of money, and price controls that have caused the supply of goods in shops to disappear, only to resurface on the black market.
The government stopped issuing banknotes in 2003 when it replaced them with temporary ‘bearer cheques’ stamped with an expiry date, although the bank renews their validity on expiry."


Zimbabwe Central Bank Introduces $10 mln Dollar Note

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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!! (72.46)

Postby Chuckmak » Wed 12 Mar 2008, 16:16:21

Looks like NYBOT:DX just did a mini dead cat bounce the last 3 days:

http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYBOT_DX&v=d1

Last trade 72.440 Change -0.740 (-0.97%)
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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!! (72.46)

Postby RonMN » Wed 12 Mar 2008, 16:20:07

72.36 (and still looks like it's dropping)

<edit> 72.22 OUCH!
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Re: US$ GETTING DESTROYED!!! (71.99)

Postby roccman » Thu 13 Mar 2008, 02:14:02

"There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
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Re: US$ GETTING DESTROYED!!! (71.99)

Postby Micki » Thu 13 Mar 2008, 02:19:03

Recent comment from Peter Schiff who has been a Cassandra for a few years now:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')rom my perspective, my dire warnings about the fate of the U.S. economy and dollar-denominated investments, which lead CNBC to nickname me "Dr. Doom", have for the most part come true. Any way you slice it, what is happening now would certainly meet anyone's definition of economic or investment doom. Given that, the only difference now is the extreme sense of urgency with which I now make my investment recommendations.

There is precious little time with which to get your investment houses in order. The dollar's value declines with each passing day, and a major collapse at any time can not be ruled out. These are very dangerous times, and I can not stress enough the importance of being prepared. Monday morning on CNBC, Paul McCulley, the number two man at PIMCO, pleaded with the Fed to print more money and use it to buy mortgages. He also urged the government to put a floor underneath home prices. My guess is that soon he will be calling on the Fed to print money to buy houses as well. The message is clear. If the world's biggest creditor is also calling for inflation, what else will the Fed deliver? When the bond market vigilantes join forces with the government, all hope is lost.

As if it heard McCulley's cries, the Fed responded on Tuesday by announcing that it would auction off $200 billion of treasuries in exchange for mortgage-backed securities. This marks a major step down the road to hyperinflation, and is reminiscent of the French failed experiment with paper money during its revolution at the end of the 18th century. The paper notes, backed by mortgages on church property, lead to hyperinflation in France and eventually became practically worthless.

Most on Wall Street are downplaying the significance of what is happening. To them, what we are now experiencing is a normal cyclical down-turn, perhaps even a mild recession by historical standards. They could not be more wrong as the current recession will be anything but typical. To appreciate the scope of what is happening, the closest examples are the 1930s and the 1970s. However, even those comparisons are not exact. My prediction is that this will be much worse than the 1970s in that the current recession will be much deeper and longer lasting and inflation rates will rise much higher. How the entire period ultimately compares to the Great Depression is still an open question, but there is certainly a possibility that in some ways it will be worse.

The main reason so few on Wall Street appreciate the problem is that they still do not understand that we were living in a bubble in the first place. As a result, what is happening is not placed into its proper context. If you do not understand the nature of the preceding boom, how can you possibly appreciate the extent of the coming bust? As a result most on Wall Street are waiting for the Fed to put the pieces of our economy back together without understanding why they never really fit in the first place. An economy built on consumer credit was destined to fall apart. As such, all the Fed's horses and all the Fed's men will never put that phony economy back together again.


So far the only thing he was wrong on is the interest rates, which he expected would be rising. He may still get that one right although it was preceeded by falls.
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Re: US$ GETTING DESTROYED!!! (71.99)

Postby Micki » Thu 13 Mar 2008, 02:32:49

And Jim Sinclair who also stuck with his predictions of USD .52 and GOLD at minimum $1650 for quite some time now:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he only chart that might be worse than Enron coming off its high is the US dollar. .5200 USDX is in the bag.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')have assured you there is absolutely no practical way to cure the credit and default derivatives problem.

Since this is a meltdown of $20 trillion in credit and default derivatives, do not for a moment think holders of the remaining $550 trillion plus in OTC derivatives are not shaking in their boots as they continue to try and value this worthless garbage via computer models.

As the article in the Wall Street Journal properly suggests, only a miracle tomorrow that takes home prices back to the high and makes all in-arrears mortgages pay up, there is no hope of a reversal of today’s critical problems.

As we discussed yesterday the Fed’s $200 billion plan (not new) of accepting collateral at full value that has no value is seen as useless unless you are a bank falling off a cliff. Even then it is nothing compared to the entire size of the problem.

The Formula is coming into its own and is the major means by which the US dollar will find .5200 on the USDX.

$1000itus does not have long legs. It will assuredly be taken out, after which $1024 to $1050 becomes another temporary challenge.

Gold is going to $1650.

Gold will not come down as it did in 1980 but this time trade around a fulcrum price because of the Federal Reserve Gold Certificate Ratio, modernized and revitalized.

This is not convertibility. This is not an automatic control of interest rates. This is not a gold backed dollar. It is connected to a measure of liquidity.

Precious metals shares of all kinds and varieties will perform in this generational bull market in excess of gold regardless of naked short sales, hedge funds and over trading by the gold community. The latter is the major reason why holders are frustrated.



I am intrigued by he's suggestions about some quasi gold certificate standard that is supposed to fix up the US balance sheet issue.
According to Jim it would cap the gold price but at a min level of $1650, possibly higher and stop it from dropping like a rock.
Funny thing was that this type of certificate has been mentioned in a couple of blogs unrelated to Jim and I heard that it was in an article from/via Dow Jones(!?).


Let's throw in this one as well from the other day.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')ear Friends,

The Federal Reserve action today formalizes what has been the policy of the Fed from almost day one of the visibility of the credit and default derivative meltdown and credit market lockup.

What is occurring is THE MONETIZATION OF BANKRUPTCY.

The predictable result of monetizing bankruptcy is a significant increase in inflation and a sharply lower dollar.

The result of a sharply lower dollar is sharply higher gold regardless of the dress up process being applied to the US dollar and gold today. The dress up is to prevent a stinging rebuff for the Federal Reserve paying a FARCE price for bankrupt derivative packages purely to keep the banks that are almost all on the edge solvent.

This action speaks negatively for 30 year US Treasury bonds.

What needs to be understood is that there are more than $20 trillion dollars worth of credit and default derivatives out there.

The next key point is that nominal value of this over $20 trillion of credit and default derivatives becomes full value when the derivative fails to perform.

This comes on a modest capital injection into a bond guarantee company that facilitates pinning a tin AAA debt rating heart on them; something that is a total fallacy.

The problem at the heart of the deteriorating credit lockup situation is OTC credit and default derivatives that have failed to perform.

The inviting conclusion then is that $200 billion is as pimple on the ass of an elephant.

Nobody in his or her right mind wishes to see what is coming in 2011. It approaches the “Day After” and “Mad Max” in a financial sense.

The only protection is hard assets of any type, shares or kind (preferably not US companies), and the Federal Reserve Gold Certificate Ratio, modernized and revitalized.

This time gold is not going to crater after achieving its max market valuation. That nullifies every top caller from $248 to middle-late 2011 without exception as well as those now so inclined. This will make mining companies very attractive businesses.

Respectfully yours,
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Re: US$ GETTING DESTROYED!!! (71.99)

Postby Chuckmak » Thu 13 Mar 2008, 09:02:19

Last trade 71.934 Change -0.364 (-0.48%)
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Re: US$ GETTING DESTROYED!!! (71.99)

Postby Micki » Thu 13 Mar 2008, 09:32:38

2 hours to Dow Jones open and futures are pointing down 180pts.
What will be the Feds next move? More surgical injections or back to ye old emergency rate cut ?
Or as speculated, maybe PPT will go out full force and buy stocks with both hands....
Any punters?

Gold touched 998 despite the share weakness....perhaps the fundies are waking up to the idea of a safe haven while there is still a seat in the lifeboat.
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Re: US$ GETTING DESTROYED!!! (71.82)

Postby roccman » Thu 13 Mar 2008, 09:39:05

Low 71.821 2008-03-13 08:10:51, 30 min delay
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Re: US$ GETTING DESTROYED!!! (71.82)

Postby Micki » Thu 13 Mar 2008, 18:25:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')aulson said the focus of the Presidential Working Group's work since the current bout of market turmoil began last summer was to reduce the chance of repeating past mistakes.

[Reuters 13/3/08]

No kidding. DJ goes from -180 to +30
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