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IEA report shows oil demand is up, supplies are down

Postby simontay78 » Sun 25 Mar 2007, 16:15:58

According to My West Texas
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he International Energy Agency released its monthly Oil Market Report last week. According to the report, the agency expects global demand to increase by +1.8 percent in 2007.

The adviser group did make some weather related demand changes in Europe and the Pacific, but those downward revisions were offset by strong demand in United States as well as upward revisions for the Former Soviet Union, India, and China.

On the supply side, world output decreased in February. OPEC supplied 125,000 barrels per day less than in January. However, the OPEC-10's production cuts were partially offset by increased production coming from Angola and Iraq. The IEA estimates suggest the OPEC-10 are about 73 percent compliant with their Abuja cut.

The IEA report says the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development inventories decreased 8.6 million barrels in January. The data for February suggests stock piles may have fallen 65.7 million barrels in the OECD nations. This suggests industrialized countries are heading towards their largest decline in reserves (for the first quarter) in 10 years. The data is bullish on numerous fronts.

In short, demand is up and supply is down.


Is this latest report by IEA an indication to the coming peak oil?
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Re: IEA report shows oil demand is up, supplies are down

Postby steam_cannon » Mon 26 Mar 2007, 08:02:55

That's sounds like the IEA's way of saying Peak Oil with out using such dirty words... :roll:
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Re: IEA report shows oil demand is up, supplies are down

Postby Newsseeker » Mon 26 Mar 2007, 09:44:07

This will definitely be an interesting summer but I wonder what the summer of 2010 will be like. I do that and cringe. When I start thinking about my life when I am 42 (2020) I cry myself to sleep at night. This definitely does look like a red flag and if I am not mistaken they have already warned OPEC but OPEC could have cared less and left the cuts in place.
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Re: IEA report shows oil demand is up, supplies are down

Postby simontay78 » Mon 26 Mar 2007, 10:58:29

Do you think OPEC can boost supply even if they want to? It's easier to say they cut the oil production "on purpose" rather then the depletion of oil production is part of the reason why they HAD TO cut the production....

The final verdict ....suspicious...let's see if they can ramp up the production when the demands shoots above the supply figures!
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Re: IEA report shows oil demand is up, supplies are down

Postby DantesPeak » Mon 26 Mar 2007, 12:07:47

I find it most interesting that they say worldwide February production was down. Up until a few weeks ago, it was widely assumed that production was going up, and that total production increases in 2007 would be about 1.5 mbpd.

So we are not off to a very good start here in 2007, being that it has been verified that worldwide demand has been increasing about 2 mpbd so far this year (850,000 bod just from the US). Granted a recession or some other calamity could not demand down, but right now it appears that demand is exceeding supply. This excess demand is so far being met by inventory rundowns, which can not continue for very much longer.

Accelerating demand is soon to collide with the brick wall of stagnant supply.
It's already over, now it's just a matter of adjusting.
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International Energy Agency: World Energy Outlook

Postby MonteQuest » Fri 13 Apr 2007, 00:53:38

The annual World Energy Outlook is the leading source for medium to long-term energy market projections and analysis and has achieved widespread international recognition. It is the flagship publication of the International Energy Agency.

http://www.worldenergyoutlook.org/
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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA supply chart says "absolutely&

Postby Zardoz » Thu 26 Apr 2007, 14:51:12

The IEA just posted the figure for world oil production in the first quarter of this year:

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World Oil Supply

Okay, that's it. We're there. Time to cut the crap and call peak.

If that isn't the dreaded undulating plateau of the peak of global oil production, then what in the name of all that's holy is it?

God, I would love to be able to walk into Daniel Yergins' office with an 11 x 17 copy of that graphic, wave it in his face, and see how he'd try to explain it away.
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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA Supply Chart says "maybe"

Postby emersonbiggins » Thu 26 Apr 2007, 14:55:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'l')et me get this straight
even though non opec oil has peaked
and opec oil seems to have peaked .. if i read all the latest reports correctly. Saudi arabia down half a million barrels per day etc

we somehow magically made it to 85.1 million barrels per day ?
Where is the extra oil coming from. The moon ?


Maybe they're measuring in 1980 barrels, rather than 2007.
You know, adjusting for inflation and all...

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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA supply chart says "absolutely&

Postby grink1tt3n » Thu 26 Apr 2007, 15:49:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '
')If that isn't the dreaded undulating plateau of the peak of global oil production, then what in the name of all that's holy is it?


To play the Devil's Advocate, I would say that the run-up in production of 2003 to 2006/2007 was so great that there is no real great need to increase production further at this point.

Furthermore, the problems USA seems to be experiencing this point is a refining problem and not a crude-supply problem.
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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA supply chart says "absolutely&

Postby Twilight » Thu 26 Apr 2007, 16:15:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('grink1tt3n', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '
')If that isn't the dreaded undulating plateau of the peak of global oil production, then what in the name of all that's holy is it?

To play the Devil's Advocate, I would say that the run-up in production of 2003 to 2006/2007 was so great that there is no real great need to increase production further at this point.

Well, try telling that to the Nigerians who can't buy fuel. They've been having internal market shortages for a year judging by the various BBC reports I've seen since the start of unrest. The West is not feeling the squeeze yet, because the domestic supply of servile exporting countries can be squeezed first, and you can bet they're not going to be given airtime on Bloomberg. That provides only temporary respite, it will reach us in a few years. I can imagine European refinery news now, "WTF is happening with our deliveries?!", while American refined product importers go "Aaaargh!"

Comical, but you just know the wave is only a handful of years away.
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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA supply chart says "absolutely&

Postby PWALPOCO » Thu 26 Apr 2007, 21:57:05

Just one observation , the Q42006 was revised down to 85.1 from 85.4 in the previous chart , then Q12007 was marked as 85.4.

Is it likely the Q12007 figure could also be revised down , and if so , by how much ?

I would say though that from the chart there is a subtle incline in production , not a decline but a few more figures for quarters nearer to 85.0 rather than 86.0 would certainly be more convincing that we are starting to max out.

We should be mindful however that OPEC did start to make cuts in output and production could be raised again assuming the "cuts" werent forced by geology.

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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA supply chart says "absolutely&

Postby Armageddon » Thu 26 Apr 2007, 22:13:16

I do not trust anybody's numbers. All numbers can be manipulated some way.
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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA supply chart says "absolutely&

Postby Cyrus » Thu 26 Apr 2007, 22:53:33

Denying it is getting harder and harder.
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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA supply chart says "absolutely&

Postby kmann » Thu 26 Apr 2007, 23:19:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')enying it is getting harder and harder.

Let me try. If you look at the history of world oil production from the beginning there have been many peaks, all local. This could be a local peak, and production could subsequently head up again. This graph is not even clearly a peak, production is still going up, although at a decreasing rate. This is by no means sufficient evidence for an absolute peak.
other peaks:
2001
1998
1990
1979
1974
1941
1929
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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA supply chart says "absolutely&

Postby joewp » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 02:29:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kmann', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')enying it is getting harder and harder.

Let me try. If you look at the history of world oil production from the beginning there have been many peaks, all local. This could be a local peak, and production could subsequently head up again. This graph is not even clearly a peak, production is still going up, although at a decreasing rate. This is by no means sufficient evidence for an absolute peak.
other peaks:


2001 - After deliberate cutbacks due recession from the dot com bubble crash
1998 - After deliberate cutbacks due to the Asian contagion
1990 - Right before the Iraq invasion of Kuwait, which crimped production for both countries, also a recession in the US hurt demand.
1979 - Right before the Iranian revolution.
1974 - During the oil embargo.
1941 - Ever hear of World War 2? That put a little crimp in world commerce.
1929 - Does "The Great Depression" ring a bell?

The big difference between now and your cites is that we have a booming world economy with increasing demand in the developed and developing (Chindia) countries, with rising prices. In each case you cited, there was an economic issue, or a war/conflict that reduced demand or crimped supplies.

That stuff isn't happening today. If this is a "local" peak, it better resolve itself quickly with new production very soon, or it won't make all that much difference, especially for the people in the third world who are already hurting from high prices.
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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA supply chart says "absolutely&

Postby kmann » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 11:28:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', 'T')hat stuff isn't happening today.


I don't disagree with most of what you said. The local peaks all had reasons unrelated to geology or technology. They were a result of economic and/or political events. Isn't that the case today in Iraq, Iran, Venezuela, Nigeria. These are all producing less than they are capable of, not due to geology or technology.
Just looking at 9 quarters of world production data without looking at the big picture can easily lead to false conclusions. As I said, it's far from sufficient evidence.
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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA supply chart says "absolutely&

Postby shortonoil » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 18:46:03

kmann said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')ust looking at 9 quarters of world production data without looking at the big picture can easily lead to false conclusions. As I said, it's far from sufficient evidence.


Obviously, the history of oil production extrapolated to the current situation is not proof that peak has occurred; that is true because world wide peak never appeared before.

What is proof, is that the energy content (expressed as ERoEI) of oil has fallen to a level that does not provide for the sufficient exploration and development of enough new fields to compensate for the fields that are now presently in decline. That occurred when the world ERoEI for oil hit approximately about 18:1. Oil will never again provide enough energy to allow enough oil to be developed to increase production.

As I have said many times on this forum, Peak Oil is not a function of how much oil is in the ground, Peak Oil is a function of how much energy is in the oil.
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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA supply chart says "absolutely&

Postby kmann » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 19:13:24

Why is 18:1 the breaking point? When did we hit it? How did you calculate it?
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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA supply chart says "absolutely&

Postby Newsseeker » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 19:57:34

Given the previous poster's good points, I am going to have to agree that with demand soaring and a good economy there is little reason to have things taper off but they are. I vote peak.
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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA supply chart says "absolutely&

Postby shortonoil » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 14:10:57

kmann said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy is 18:1 the breaking point? When did we hit it? How did you calculate it?


My analysis is based on the work of Cleveland & Kaufman and their energy profile of the oil industry for the lower 48 states; the only good data that we have. Since the US fields are so extensive and diversified, I feel that it is a reasonable hypothesis that these profiles can be extrapolated to the world in general.

C&K derived the ERoEI of oil at the well head for the period 1954 to 1997. Finished products exhibit an ERoEI of approximately 14 points below the well head numbers. Their data shows, that during periods of intensive exploration and development in the US, that ERoEI for well head numbers dropped somewhere in the region of 10 to 15 points. Finding oil takes a lot of energy. Using the 15 point number, what we could expect from our data, for frantic exploration like we are presently seeing in SA, in just a few major fields could drop the overall ERoEI below 1:1. When this occurs exploration and development backs off. This we are presently seeing in the reduction of deep water exploration in lieu of land base exploration.

Taking the 54’ to 97’ data and using the generally accepted 1930 data point of an ERoEI of 100, allows for the construction of the representative curve. That curve is a decay curve of the form Q=Q’e^-kt, or a decay curve as seen for the decay half-life of radioactive elements and the death of bacterium in a petri dish. Another tale tell sign of this curve’s form is in the Logistics Curve itself, the equation the Hubbert based his model upon. The numerator of the Logistic Curve is merely a form of the decay curve.

The Lower US 48 peaked at an ERoEI of about 18:1, this is hardly a coincidence. Mapping the ERoEI curve to Hubbert’s curve for world oil production puts the world’s ERoEI at about 18:1.

Q.E.D. We have peaked.
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