[alpha480v]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'T')he reason people deny God is because they dont want to be accountable for their actions. They want to live their life the way they want to, and not be told what to do. People think that listening to God has restrictions. But these restrictions are to benefit humans. Think of it like driving down the road with no stop lights. It would be chaos. God gives laws for our benefit, not His. If people would obey the 10 commandments, just think how much more pleasant life would be. No killings, no crooks, no liars, no sleeping around on your spouse etc. Aids , VD, herpes, syphillis etc wouldnt plague mankind. Abortions wouldnt be so rampant. etc.

[MD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('alpha480v', '.')..My question then is this. What has Billy done to deserve this fate at such an early age? And, what has this god fearing, devout christian couple done to deserve to have their only child taken from them by a being whom they have worshipped so lovingly, and faithfully?

[JustinFrankl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')he answer is simple. Just don't believe it. But you have issues and anger. Drop it, let it go. It doesn't concern you.

[Lokutus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('alpha480v', '.')..My question then is this. What has Billy done to deserve this fate at such an early age? And, what has this god fearing, devout christian couple done to deserve to have their only child taken from them by a being whom they have worshipped so lovingly, and faithfully?

[Lokutus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', ' ')

Other than that, you have fallen prey to the false premise that worship begets goodies. It's a common enough error in all circles, no surprise.

[Ludi]

God never rejected the Jews. Jesus was Jewish. The supposed rejection of the Jews by God was a political situation during the writing of the gospels after Jesus' death.

If you need links and sources, armageddon, I'd be happy to provide them.

[alpha480v]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', '<')/div>

Reasonable questions.
"The problem of pain" (or "dilemma of evil", if you prefer) is at the root of these questions. "Ultimate justice" has to be a part fo the answer, but that has its own obvious dilemma. Meaningful interaction is another.

Short answer:
Billy probably had nothing to do with his fate.
His parents likewise, unless theyknowingly exposed him to high risk chemicals.


Other than that, you have fallen prey to the false premise that worship begets goodies. It's a common enough error in all circles, no surprise.[/quote]





I haven't fallen prey to any such thing. That is an example of why there isn't the god that modern Christianity says there is. If there is a god, then HE/SHE/IT obviously doesn't care enough about those who worship him to answer their prayers when he is needed most. It isn't a matter of getting "goodies" It's a matter of not coming through when needed. Prayers don't matter, faith doesn't matter. It's as if GOD is saying "The same fate that happens to those who deny me will also happen to those who worship me. No difference."

By the way, this Billy story is a story. That did not happen to me or anyone that I know. It was used to illustrate a point about how illogical religion is.

[Lokutus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('alpha480v', ' ')
I haven't fallen prey to any such thing. That is an example of why there isn't the god that modern Christianity says there is. If there is a god, then HE/SHE/IT obviously doesn't care enough about those who worship him to answer their prayers when he is needed most. It isn't a matter of getting "goodies" It's a matter of not coming through when needed. Prayers don't matter, faith doesn't matter. It's as if GOD is saying "The same fate that happens to those who deny me will also happen to those who worship me. No difference."

By the way, this Billy story is a story. That did not happen to me or anyone that I know. It was used to illustrate a point about how illogical religion is.

[alpha480v]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', '
')
Now I know what you're thinking. You have one last iron in the fire to pull out in defense of this weak watered-down god. It's the one about god providing us with amoral compass.

Sorry, that one doesn't hold any water either to mix metaphors. Any reasonable adult who has bothered to think things through will understand the need to not harm their neighbor.

[Lokutus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('alpha480v', '
')
I agree, and another one that I like is the old standby "It isn't for us to question the will of GOD".

Or the ever famous "God works in mysterious ways"

These statements explain nothing, and therefore prove nothing.

[MD]

You guys really get off on slapping down each others caricatures?
Or your own for that matter?
What a waste of time relishing in self-affirming mental masturbation.

[Lokutus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'Y')ou guys really get off on slapping down each others caricatures?
Or your own for that matter?
What a waste of time relishing in self-affirming mental masturbation.

[Ludi]

Some people don't like religious discussions, and so, should probably avoid them. I enjoy them, sometimes.

But I enjoy wankery of all kinds.

[MD]

Free speech forum 100% say what you like and so will I. Don't be confused by the moderator status.

Most of what you post is extreme; a good way off from where I am standing.

You and I have almost nothing to discuss, so I'll leave you to continue your carnival.

Have fun!

[PenultimateManStanding]

I've been thinking how to best use written words to represent the Irish accent:

A lowng tyme agoh when thee Arth was green
there was moor kynds of anemals then you've ever seen
they'd roan arownd fry while the Arth was being bourn
ahnd the lowvliest of them awl
was the ewe-knee-coarn.

[Madpaddy]

Ludi wrote,
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut I enjoy wankery of all kinds.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Madpaddy', 'L')udi wrote,
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut I enjoy wankery of all kinds.

[Niagara]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', 'G')lobal Flood?

Please think about it.

Where would all that water come from that would cover all the land.