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Re: Flood

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 14 Jan 2007, 23:41:03

Thankfully, the Church has changed its position about nonChristians going to hell. I assumed you were young enough to be after Vatican 2, Lokutus. 8O
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Re: Flood

Unread postby Lokutus » Sun 14 Jan 2007, 23:56:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')hankfully, the Church has changed its position about nonChristians going to hell. I assumed you were young enough to be after Vatican 2, Lokutus. 8O


I've noticed that the story changes from decade to decade. So much for all this stuff being the inerrant word of god.
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Re: Flood

Unread postby Lokutus » Mon 15 Jan 2007, 00:29:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')hankfully, the Church has changed its position about nonChristians going to hell. I assumed you were young enough to be after Vatican 2, Lokutus. 8O


Didn't Vatican 2 also announce that heaven and hell are merely states of mind and not actaul places?
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Re: Flood

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 15 Jan 2007, 00:35:25

Hmm, that doesnt sound familiar, Id have to look it up.

I certainly haven't read all the V2 documents.
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Re: Flood

Unread postby Loki » Mon 15 Jan 2007, 00:50:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Niagara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', '.')..please explain how Noah managed to save distant animals like Polar Bears, kangaroos, and eagles.

This attempt at discrediting the flood account is not new. And you're probably wondering how the ark could have held all those animals. Actually those are excellent questions.

There are perhaps over a million species of animals. But Noah's instructions were to preserve only representatives of every "kind" of land animal and flying creature.

Just 43 "kinds" of mammals, 74 "kinds" of birds, and 10 "kinds" of reptiles could produce the great variety of species of these creatures that are known today. The ark was huge. It's displacement was similar to the Titanic. It had about 40,000 m3 of usable space—ample for the passenger list.

Before the flood there were no polar bears. BEARS yes, but not POLAR BEARS. Mammoths have been found in Siberia with vegetation still in their mouths unchewed. They were flash frozen by the sudden, catastrophic global flood.

So before the flood the harsh arctic environment did not exist as we know it today. As the centuries passed after the flood animals migrated and adapted to their new homes. Polar bears inhabit the arctic today. (Look at the incredible variety of dogs we have today as another example of how species can vary.)


Niagara, are you saying you actually believe that some ancient Jewish dude named Noah gathered a bunch of critters on his boat to save them from your evil demon god's wrath? Wow. Sorry, but wow. That's one of the funniest things I've heard in a long time. I've been studying comparative philosophy and religion for more many years, but it never ceases to amaze me how people can believe in such ridiculous bullshit.

I personally think Apollonius of Tyana is the one and only savior. Believe or die heathens!
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Re: Flood

Unread postby Lokutus » Mon 15 Jan 2007, 02:40:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Niagara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', '.')..please explain how Noah managed to save distant animals like Polar Bears, kangaroos, and eagles.

This attempt at discrediting the flood account is not new. And you're probably wondering how the ark could have held all those animals. Actually those are excellent questions.

There are perhaps over a million species of animals. But Noah's instructions were to preserve only representatives of every "kind" of land animal and flying creature.

Just 43 "kinds" of mammals, 74 "kinds" of birds, and 10 "kinds" of reptiles could produce the great variety of species of these creatures that are known today. The ark was huge. It's displacement was similar to the Titanic. It had about 40,000 m3 of usable space—ample for the passenger list.

Before the flood there were no polar bears. BEARS yes, but not POLAR BEARS. Mammoths have been found in Siberia with vegetation still in their mouths unchewed. They were flash frozen by the sudden, catastrophic global flood.

So before the flood the harsh arctic environment did not exist as we know it today. As the centuries passed after the flood animals migrated and adapted to their new homes. Polar bears inhabit the arctic today. (Look at the incredible variety of dogs we have today as another example of how species can vary.)


Niagara, are you saying you actually believe that some ancient Jewish dude named Noah gathered a bunch of critters on his boat to save them from your evil demon god's wrath? Wow. Sorry, but wow. That's one of the funniest things I've heard in a long time. I've been studying comparative philosophy and religion for more many years, but it never ceases to amaze me how people can believe in such ridiculous bullshit.

I personally think Apollonius of Tyana is the one and only savior. Believe or die heathens!


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Re: Flood

Unread postby shakespear1 » Mon 15 Jan 2007, 05:09:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', '-12 years in a Catholic school')

Well I spent 5 years in a Catholic school and must say that the Sisters there did a great job on me. THEY were closer to the ideas of the institution then those theatrically dressed men in Rome. So on this front I will stick up for the Sisters.

However I have also moved on in terms of the Church and its ways. There are other ways to look at the question of existence.

Power corrupts and it corrupts absolutely. A good example of this is to be seen today in Poland (and earlier).

They are spending millions on cathedrals and other future places of pilgrimage for Nothing in my opinion. The country has other serious social problems where this money would be better spent. However this organization will always spend on itself before anything 8)
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Re: Flood

Unread postby Niagara » Mon 15 Jan 2007, 10:56:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Niagara', '
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:lol:

In the spirit of Matthew 7:6 I am stepping out of this thread. Back to PO related discussions.

Good day gentlemen...
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Re: Flood

Unread postby Lokutus » Mon 15 Jan 2007, 11:36:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Niagara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Niagara', '
')...
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:lol:

In the spirit of Matthew 7:6 I am stepping out of this thread. Back to PO related discussions.

Good day gentlemen...


You really are a little godbot.

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ReFlood

Unread postby TheDude » Tue 16 Jan 2007, 11:44:34

Is there a Church of Lokutus? You could ritually smear peanut butter on your chest!
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Re: Flood

Unread postby Rafa » Tue 16 Jan 2007, 12:45:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', 'I') have some serious doubts about there being enough water in those trenches to submerge the Eurasian continent and the Himalaya.


The Flood doesn't has to cover everything; just large coastal regions, flooding entire cities (that is important cultural centers) and it will impact memories for centuries.

The end of an ice period probably released a lot of water, enough to flood coastal cities, maybe even islands or peninsulas with low altitudes.

It hasn't to be instantaneous either; a time span of one to three generations is fast enough to be clearyl visible and recorded by people experiencing it (they will see sections of their cities and lands under water, and hear from the elder that it wasn't like that in their times)
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Re: ReFlood

Unread postby Lokutus » Tue 16 Jan 2007, 12:59:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'I')s there a Church of Lokutus?


I shut it down after the Church of Hank stole all of my followers with a better offer.
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Re: Flood

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Wed 19 Feb 2014, 00:39:38

The Ark Before Noah: Decoding the Story of the Flood by Irving Finkel
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he story of the ark, and animals 'two by two', is so much older than the Bible: why was the myth appropriated?
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Three distinct Mesopotamian incarnations of the myth have now been identified, one recorded in Sumerian and two in Akkadian. It has become clear that the tale of a universal flood was widespread in Mesopotamia for an entire millennium and a half before the hapless Judaeans, defeated in the early 6th century BC by Nebuchadnezzar, were dragged away from their smoking cities into exile, there to weep beside the rivers of Babylon. Now, courtesy of Irving Finkel, the British Museum's eminence grise
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of cuneiform studies, there comes a further clinching piece of evidence: a tablet that actually describes animals entering an ark "two by two". Not only that, but it offers startlingly precise specifications on how best to construct one. An ark, so the tablet instructs us, should properly be circular in shape, have an area of 3,600 metres, and be fashioned out of plant fibre. All those living in the Somerset Levels may wish to take note.
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The Judaeans were not graduate students in some Ivy League college, but the bewildered and embittered victims of superpower aggression.

By plundering the heritage of Babylon, they were at once paying homage to its cultural prestige, and annexing it to their own ends. Just as Christians and Muslims would subsequently transform the biblical figure of Noah into a prefiguring of their own respective theodicies, so the Judaeans transformed the myths of their Babylonian overlords into something that would end up as Jewish.
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