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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Unread postby PolestaR » Thu 26 Oct 2006, 16:56:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'C')AD2007? I don't like typing in coordinates. :)


Without checking.. sure why not? WINE isnt an emulator but it works for most things.. CAD would be high on the list and its relatively efficient. Anyways... there are options for running windoze shit on linux and mac platforms without leaving the host os.
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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Unread postby AgentR » Thu 26 Oct 2006, 17:03:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'W')ell the FACT is the Windows XP desktop is better than anything LINUX can throwup at the moment. I hope to make the native move to linux desktop eventually when it matures some more (I use VMs with linux atm from windows).


Better is always subjective based upon the tasks that someone wants to perform. I just thought it was kinda funny considering all the anti-hegemony attitudes espoused on the boards, that such a high percentage of readers continue to contentedly feed one of the most aggressive hegemonic corporations on the planet.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he only people who chose to be on linux now are nerds who need to prove something to their gods of choice, in your case rwwff, Jesus the catholic god.


Something to prove... you mean like being free from a corporation that has the physical capability to intentionally render the data on your hard drives unaccessible?

Personally, I do like MS products, but all my data safely sits on a Linux based samba server, and backed up to offsite Linux based rsync servers.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f you were really cool like me you'd have the DAS KEYBOARD (google it ) with a dvorak mapping. But you're not.. so nwah.


dvorak mapping is oldie moldy. I touch type on qwerty without even thinking about the letters or keys anymore. I think, my fingers diddle, and words appear on the screen.

Besides, I don't much care for being cool. Being cool will get you noticed, getting noticed will make you a target. Becoming a target in the world as it will soon be isn't on my todo list.
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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Unread postby PolestaR » Thu 26 Oct 2006, 17:10:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'B')etter is always subjective based upon the tasks that someone wants to perform. I just thought it was kinda funny considering all the anti-hegemony attitudes espoused on the boards, that such a high percentage of readers continue to contentedly feed one of the most aggressive hegemonic corporations on the planet.


Sure but it's generally accepted that Windows is the better desktop OS atm.. even some core Linux developers admit this.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'd')vorak mapping is oldie moldy. I touch type on qwerty without even thinking about the letters or keys anymore. I think, my fingers diddle, and words appear on the screen.

Besides, I don't much care for being cool. Being cool will get you noticed, getting noticed will make you a target. Becoming a target in the world as it will soon be isn't on my todo list.


Sure it's old... but I type faster and my fingers travel less. resulting in less strain. Not that it is important to you.. after all long term injuries don't bother someone going to heaven.
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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Unread postby gnm » Thu 26 Oct 2006, 17:21:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'W')ell the FACT is the Windows XP desktop is better than anything LINUX can throwup at the moment. I hope to make the native move to linux desktop eventually when it matures some more (I use VMs with linux atm from windows).


Have you seen KDE? How much more mature do you want? Jeez my parents who are defintely not comp-geeks are running linux now becasue I got sick of rebuilding windoze every time it got 0w3nd by mal-ware becasue someone clicked on the wrong link. They like it just fine.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'T')he only people who chose to be on linux now are nerds


I'll take that as a compliment... No particular gods to appease though, just me.

Oh and I totally agree about VMware and Wine. pretty much handles everything. And theres always Cedega if you really have to run the games and such...

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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Unread postby AgentR » Thu 26 Oct 2006, 17:27:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'S')ure it's old... but I type faster and my fingers travel less. resulting in less strain. Not that it is important to you.. after all long term injuries don't bother someone going to heaven.


Story fits here... A few years back, you may recall, Carpal Tunnel got lots of attention in the media, and all of a sudden people were trying to find ergonomic this and that.. Well, right after those stories, my hands started really hurting, and for a week I fretted about it a bit, and its completely true that I am the perfect definition of an ergonomic disaster, I slump way back in the chair, rest my arms on the edge of the desk, type hard enough that people in the next room complain... so I thought, hey, I've got this thing too, but then after a day or so, I thought.. You know, I never noticed these aches till I read the reports, maybe this is all just bunk to slirp money from insurance companies. Later that day, I no longer noticed the discomfort any more.

Basically, I think some hand surgeons figured out how to make a bunch of money convincing people they needed to fix something that was a normal part of being alive. Since then, I've ignored the discomfort, and beaten more keyboards into nonfunctional paper weights than I'd care to admit.

Guess what. My hands still work, more or less. At this rate, I figure they'll be done by the time I'm eighty; but considering I'll be quite cold, rotted, and dead long before that, thats probably to be expected,
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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Unread postby Loki » Thu 26 Oct 2006, 17:44:55

Windows works for me, so why change? ArcGIS 9 also doesn't run on anything but Windows. And no, I'm not going to waste my time with open source GIS.

Maybe someone geekier than me can explain why Macs are considered a "progressive alternative" when Steve Jobs is still one of the most richest bastards on the planet? Many of the "progressives" I know seem to prefer Macs, as if they're striking a blow against corporate America or something. I'm sure Jobs is laughing his way to the way to the bank. I personally won't buy anything Apple, mostly because my limited experience with them was negative (freeze up, reboot, freeze up, reboot, repeat as necessary), plus I find their iPod marketing to be extremely irritating.
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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Thu 26 Oct 2006, 17:55:21

If anyone thinks all Windows users on this site actually paid for it, they are probably mistaken.

I have my harddrive partititoned off, and I use my two OSs for different purposes.
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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Unread postby AgentR » Thu 26 Oct 2006, 17:57:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'I')f anyone thinks all Windows users on this site actually paid for it, they are probably mistaken.


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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Thu 26 Oct 2006, 18:05:44

From what I hear, the service for windows is virtually useless. But then again, I'm friends with a bunch of Linux geeks. They may be biased.
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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Unread postby AgentR » Thu 26 Oct 2006, 18:23:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'F')rom what I hear, the service for windows is virtually useless. But then again, I'm friends with a bunch of Linux geeks. They may be biased.


On the unlicensed software.. All I can say is MS will get their pound of flesh in the end. Just try bringing up an NT 4.0 sp6 machine and exposing it to the net or surfing with it. Thats as far as they went with the security patches, and as it sits now, NT4.0 is a brutally exploitable OS. Same will eventually happen to XP once security patches stop. And Vista... Vista isn't going to be real gentle with the pirates. And I suspect that what comes after Vista will be essentially unpirateable.

Service for windows is mostly useless. However, System Restore is an awefully nice feature of XP for which MS deserves credit.
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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Unread postby rogerhb » Thu 26 Oct 2006, 18:39:39

Anybody using any CPUs, memory or harddrives not made by a coorporation?
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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Thu 26 Oct 2006, 19:04:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'A')nybody using any CPUs, memory or harddrives not made by a coorporation?


That's right. Now, Intel - there's a monopoly. Hell, they're in PCs and Macs. Of course, if they were a monopoly, that doesn't explain why my Intel stock has yet to appreciate 10% in 10 years. :x
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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Unread postby AgentR » Thu 26 Oct 2006, 19:21:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'A')nybody using any CPUs, memory or harddrives not made by a coorporation?


But they aren't hegemonistic corporations.

A long time ago, I paid $400 for a 40 megabyte hard drive.
Same vendor will get me about a terabyte of storage for that price.

A long time ago... I paid a couple hundred bucks for an OS.
Last month... I paid a couple hundred bucks for the same vendor's OS.

I got a 128 meg memory stick that is faster than that MFM 40 meg drive, I'll be happy to sell it to you for the great price of $1,200 US. Any takers?

Hegemony is a wonderful thing, while you can make it last. MS has figured out how to make it last for at least another decade.
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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Thu 26 Oct 2006, 19:32:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '
')Hegemony is a wonderful thing, while you can make it last. MS has figured out how to make it last for at least another decade.


That's not entirely fair. Apple is at least as anti-competitive with pricing on their iPods. It doesn't pay to shop around, because they're all priced within pennies of each other, and the price only comes down when a new gen iPod comes out (about once a year). In fact, the only place I found a deal on an iPod was Sam's Club, about 10 bucks off. Not coincidentally, XP can be bought at Sam's for a like discount.

To Microsoft's credit, upgrades to Vista for new XP OEM PC owners will start at $49, a price that doesn't make you feel like you got ripped.
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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Unread postby seldom_seen » Thu 26 Oct 2006, 19:35:21

I have a visceral hatred of windows and microsoft. From the bloated, insecure and annoying operating system to the pompous smug asswipes that work in Redmond. I'll just leave it at that and won't go off on a 20 page tangent.

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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Unread postby holmes » Thu 26 Oct 2006, 19:35:58

This is the shitstem we are handed. Im not left behind Im trying to leave this cancer behind! However the cancer is terminal. Death is the end result. But well have lots of shit on the way out! yay! Living things will keep dying being replaced by dead inanimate objects. Awesome! a success!
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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Unread postby holmes » Thu 26 Oct 2006, 19:37:22

Linux and mac is the only way. I do not own a home computer. Power down is my only option. The end.
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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 26 Oct 2006, 20:13:14

speaking of anti-corporate (i can't get into any sort of computer-geek discussion any more than i could a discussion of soccer) what do people suppose is the alternative? the economy of scale, the need for large amounts of capital to do certain things, the efficient use of that capital, all this means that corporations are neccessary. the only alternatives are government control of all large enterprises or size restrictions so that all business is small business. It was Rockefeller who got the big corporation ball rolling and it seems like an inevitable way to organize commerce. People like to rant against them, but it just seems like Don Quixoty jousting with windmills, the posting equivalent of picking your nose - a petty little indulgence: "oh those corporations are souless! they suck!" Yeah so? what else is new, but it's how everybody gets housed and fed and entertained and everything else. The only legitimate discussion, i think, is how much to regulate them.
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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Unread postby evilmonkeyspanker » Thu 26 Oct 2006, 20:50:24

Debian Linux

Vista for the ultimate edition will be nearly 400 US

Microsoft was started by Bill Gates by cheating a company out of thier OS and by stealing the trade secrets of other companies.

Yes, I hate not having any decent video editing software and I wish I could use photoshop.

But what I get,

Complete security, the ability to check out and view all of the source code for my computer and make changes as I see fit.

Microsoft has unfettered access to all computers that are installed with thier os. And could provide the government with the same. (taking big brother many steps up) Why do you think its only the EU going after monopoly based charges.
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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Unread postby PolestaR » Fri 27 Oct 2006, 02:16:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'S')tory fits here... A few years back, you may recall, Carpal Tunnel got lots of attention in the media, and all of a sudden people were trying to find ergonomic this and that.. Well, right after those stories, my hands started really hurting, and for a week I fretted about it a bit, and its completely true that I am the perfect definition of an ergonomic disaster, I slump way back in the chair, rest my arms on the edge of the desk, type hard enough that people in the next room complain... so I thought, hey, I've got this thing too, but then after a day or so, I thought.. You know, I never noticed these aches till I read the reports, maybe this is all just bunk to slirp money from insurance companies. Later that day, I no longer noticed the discomfort any more.

Basically, I think some hand surgeons figured out how to make a bunch of money convincing people they needed to fix something that was a normal part of being alive. Since then, I've ignored the discomfort, and beaten more keyboards into nonfunctional paper weights than I'd care to admit.

Guess what. My hands still work, more or less. At this rate, I figure they'll be done by the time I'm eighty; but considering I'll be quite cold, rotted, and dead long before that, thats probably to be expected,


That's a nice story.. do you tell that one to your kids alongside Moses or Noah? :lol:

But seriously.. if you haven't felt hand pain from typing you don't do enough or you practice some serious break routines that I find hard to maintain. You won't know until you use dvorak how shit qwerty is.. I'm not saying dvorak is perfect because it isn't.. but damn.. your fingers barely move, I type faster (doesn't really matter since I was already fast on qwerty) and its a lot more enjoyable experience.

I'm all for efficiency and dvorak is simply more efficient for typing.
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