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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Postby PolestaR » Fri 27 Oct 2006, 02:22:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'H')ave you seen KDE? How much more mature do you want? Jeez my parents who are defintely not comp-geeks are running linux now becasue I got sick of rebuilding windoze every time it got 0w3nd by mal-ware becasue someone clicked on the wrong link. They like it just fine.


Yes and? I don't _LIKE_ windows.. let me get that straight.. MS is a shit company who will be bankrupted by Linux one day, I hope. But facts are facts.. for a desktop OS, in my opinion, WXP is better (overall) than anything I have seen on a Linux desktop. Doesn't mean you can't use linux to do nearly 100% of what you do on Windoze. VMWare and WINE (and etc) have certainly made Linux more accessible to the Windows market.. but there are still some strides to be made.. and the Linux devs I speak to know this.

I hope VISTA will be the death cry of Microsoft.. and XP should be my last MS OS. I use VMware atm to write and test some linux applications for servers I have (linux servers completely dominate windoze as most know) from my windows dev env so yeah, I use desktop variations of Linux quite often.
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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Postby gego » Fri 27 Oct 2006, 02:51:15

For all of you who hate big corporations that you think screw you:

What form of organization do you think the US government is? It is a corporation. It is a monopoly because it does not allow competition in its territory. It decides how much to charge you for its services. All you get to do is vote for the board of directors.

I think the likes of Exxon and Microsoft, are angelic by comparison.
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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Postby The_Toecutter » Fri 27 Oct 2006, 03:13:53

The likes of Exxon and Microsoft made the U.S. Government what it is today. Given the prevalence of corporate campaign financing, they virtually are the board of directors.
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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Postby gego » Fri 27 Oct 2006, 03:55:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'T')he likes of Exxon and Microsoft made the U.S. Government what it is today. Given the prevalence of corporate campaign financing, they virtually are the board of directors.


There have been times when I pondered what the world would be like if artificial entities like corporations, governments, and limited partnerships would never have been invented. Individuals die, but these artificial entities have potential unlimited lives and can accumulate massive amounts of wealth. They can hire people who are relatively immune from punishment for other than the most blatant acts, and the true owners are protected personally from the acts of the entities.

Maybe this is why I abhor all the collective proposals that are often presented on this site and prefer individualism. This tendency of humans to get together for action, and then for the organization they form in the process to get out of control quickly seems to be a source of evil.
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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Postby strider3700 » Fri 27 Oct 2006, 14:36:49

I babysit windows machines during the day and use linux (kde via kubuntu) at night. I no longer see much of a difference between the desktops.

Sometimes kde doesn't use the correct resolution. Sometimes windows looses it's mind and I end up with 16 colors until I reinstall the graphical drivers. linux fails more often then windows in this reguard so winner = windows.

I run updates fairly reguarly but some machines go 6 months between me getting on site to patch.

Sometimes I run updates on my linux box and by entering the root password and clicking full update every piece of software on the box gets updated while I have a coffee. If the kernel is being patched a reboot is required after everything is said and done.

Sometimes I run updates on windows. I click update and it finds the update tool is out of date so it updates it. Then I get to click update again and it brings in everything required to bring it up to date for that service pack. I then get to click update again and install the service pack which requires feedback and me agreeing to the user agreement. Then when the service pack is installed a reboot takes place and then I can run the updates on the service pack. Reboot one last time and then the OS is uptodate. Then trackdown office updates and run them. Same thing here update-servicepack-updates. No need for reboot. Of course nothing else is updated and each program on the pc needs to be manually tracked down and updated. Winner here is linux by a long shot.

Then come the using the computer part.

Games windows wins period, I still dual boot at home just to play a little civ4 or stronghold.

GIS, Cad, photoshop... windows wins also, all of the big players are windows/mac only and they will probably remain this way for a longtime yet.

Small utility type programs though linux rules, try finding a free network monitoring tool for windows, or photoediting or hell unzipping files... Even if the programs exist it's a nightmare of malware/shareware/nagware that you have to pick and choose between to find it. linux wins easily in this category.

And since I've spent the last 2 days cleaning PC's over it Malware/virus/spyware/.... I'm not sure why I need a virus scanner and something to strip spyware and something just to track down trojans on windows (norton and adaware both missed trojans, a-squared missed spyware...)

Linux wins period

having said that the only box I've ever had hacked and turned into a file server was a linux box that wasn't on the update list. 2 years of no patches and it got owned.
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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Postby gnm » Fri 27 Oct 2006, 14:47:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilmonkeyspanker', '
')Yes, I hate not having any decent video editing software and I wish I could use photoshop.


Theres KINO and Cinelerra

and I believe there are some first rate commercial products out there as well.

Won't photoshop run under WINE? Personally I like GIMP...

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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Postby The_Toecutter » Fri 27 Oct 2006, 20:11:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here have been times when I pondered what the world would be like if artificial entities like corporations, governments, and limited partnerships would never have been invented. Individuals die, but these artificial entities have potential unlimited lives and can accumulate massive amounts of wealth. They can hire people who are relatively immune from punishment for other than the most blatant acts, and the true owners are protected personally from the acts of the entities.

Maybe this is why I abhor all the collective proposals that are often presented on this site and prefer individualism. This tendency of humans to get together for action, and then for the organization they form in the process to get out of control quickly seems to be a source of evil.


You summed up the problems we are seeing manifest themselves today very well. Many collectivists believe invidualism to be a myth or a scourge upon society, but it appears that the opposite case fits the reality in the U.S. The collectivist by its own nature seeks to control the individual for the benefit of a given group, whether the particular group in question is composed of a government or a board of directors. This is inherently authoritarian. However, provided that the actions of a collective are done on a mutual basis, it need not be authoritarian. The problem is that different groups have their own interests, and will thus compete with others, just as individuals do. Only allow a select few people the ability to make important decisions in a society, and you've effectively established a basis for social control, precisely what oppresses the individual, so that a certain collective can gain at the individual's expense.

The corporations are using us so that they can gain, just as governments typically do. They should be answering to us, not the other way around. Hardly different than the communists they try so hard to differentiate themselves from.
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Re: If so anti-corporate why all the MS Windows?

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 27 Oct 2006, 20:33:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilmonkeyspanker', '
')Yes, I hate not having any decent video editing software and I wish I could use photoshop.


Theres KINO and Cinelerra

and I believe there are some first rate commercial products out there as well.

Won't photoshop run under WINE? Personally I like GIMP...

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Microsoft Exchange sp1 and sp2

Postby MD » Thu 16 Nov 2006, 06:14:56

Any of you geeky types here experienced with exchange 2003?

If so, are there any "you better look out for......" tips when installing the service packs?

I am an exchange rookie. So far so good. It took a couple hours of screwing with the dns controls before it took off and ran like a champ. Still have spam filtering and public folders to set up.
Finally have self administered webmail!
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Re: Windows Genuine Advantage Notification

Postby smallpoxgirl » Mon 09 Apr 2007, 12:30:02

If the message is coming from automatic updates, there is a button to hide the update.
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Re: Windows Genuine Advantage Notification

Postby TheDude » Mon 09 Apr 2007, 12:54:16

I noticed this too. A rare bit of wit from Microsoft, it reads like a scam email. I demured myself.
I forget what the fix is, Google the text of the message and you'll find the cure, along with plenty of sarcastic comments I'm sure. This is what I do with suspicious emails as well, while we're on that topic - copy a bit of it and Google, and often I get links to Anti-Phishing sites. Good enough for me, Junk it.
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Re: Windows Genuine Advantage Notification

Postby sysfce2 » Mon 16 Apr 2007, 00:06:28

I believe you should be able to disable it - go into Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs and remove MS Genuine Advantage. (This is speculation, I haven't had to do this myself - if it doesn't work, I could ask more knowledgeable colleagues).
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Re: Windows Genuine Advantage Notification

Postby Newsseeker » Mon 16 Apr 2007, 10:57:45

How helpful of Microsoft to develop a program to help you buy another program.
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Re: Windows Genuine Advantage Notification

Postby Peak_Modernity » Mon 16 Apr 2007, 14:15:47

I'm can't quite remember how I canceled it. I think I let it start to install and then just clicked cancel. Then there was an option to never remind me of that specific update again.

There's another way to get rid of an update that you don't want and never be asked again, but I can't remember how to do it.
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Re: Windows Genuine Advantage Notification

Postby Rock_solid_bacon » Mon 16 Apr 2007, 15:33:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')The Windows Genuine Advantage Notification tool notifies you if your copy of Windows is not genuine. If your system is found to be a non-genuine, the tool will help you obtain a licensed copy of Windows.
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They are getting your children to turn yourself in.

(Mummy and Daddy are vewy vewy bad, they must go away fro a while.
Sign here to help them
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Re: Windows Genuine Advantage Notification

Postby Rock_solid_bacon » Mon 16 Apr 2007, 15:36:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 't')hanks for the tips. Bill Gates just lost all credibility with me. The guy really thinks he rules the world.


No, you just think he don't

My prediction is every click, snoop sent transaction, mail interaction etc will give microsoft 1/100 of one cent
he will rule the world, no doubt about it.
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Re: Windows Genuine Advantage Notification

Postby Plantagenet » Mon 16 Apr 2007, 16:56:56

Now that Microsoft has found out who has pirated copies of Windows on their computers, how long will it be until they file in court and sue all the pirates in court the way the RIAA did over pirated MP3s?
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