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THE International Energy Agency (IEA) Thread pt 1 (merged) A

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Re: IEA new lower demand forecasts ??

Postby BrazilianPO » Fri 12 May 2006, 08:59:23

Is demand still going up? Then, this is a non-issue. Wake me up when demand starts to decrease on a annual basis, only then oil prices could begin a consistent down trend. :roll:
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Re: IEA new lower demand forecasts ??

Postby firestarter » Fri 12 May 2006, 09:23:27

The IEA said they same thing last year

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hursday, Jul 14, 2005,Page 12

Advertising Global oil demand is proving slower than expected this year because of lower-than-forecast demand growth rates in China and the US, the International Energy Agency (IEA) said yesterday.
The IEA revised down its forecast for global oil demand growth this year by 200,000 barrels per day (bpd) to 1.58 million bpd, 1.9 percent.

The reduced demand forecast in the IEA's monthly oil market report comes with benchmark US oil at record highs of more than US$61 a barrel.



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Re: IEA new lower demand forecasts ??

Postby Wildwell » Fri 12 May 2006, 09:52:18

Demand is going to go down? Yeah right.
China is to build up to 50 new airports and double its fleet of passenger jets over the next five years to meet the demand for travel from its growing middle class. The country's Civil Aviation Administration (CAAC) said $23bn (£12.2bn) had been earmarked for new hubs and regional airports, much of it to be financed by Chinese insurers flush with investment funds, or in joint ventures with Western companies.

CAAC official Zhao Hongyuan said: "All the projects will offer investment opportunities for investors at home and abroad." Britain's Arup Urban Design, Australia's Macquarie Infrastructure and Germany's airport operator Fraport are all expected to benefit.

China is the third biggest air-travel market after the US and Europe, flying 138m passengers last year. With plans to recruit 1,000 jet pilots a year, China aims to boost its fleet from around 860 to 4,000 by 2020 - anathema to ecologists as air traffic damages the ozone layer.
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Re: IEA new lower demand forecasts ??

Postby nth » Fri 12 May 2006, 10:11:12

demand is only reduced to what supplies are offering.
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Re: IEA new lower demand forecasts ??

Postby SoothSayer » Fri 12 May 2006, 11:18:02


>> China is to build up to 50 new airports and double its fleet of passenger jets over the next five years to meet the demand for travel from its growing middle class.

The country's Civil Aviation Administration (CAAC) said $23bn (£12.2bn) had been earmarked for new hubs and regional airports, much of it to be financed by Chinese insurers flush with investment funds, or in joint ventures with Western companies.


Wildwell, why not move/copy this post to start a new topic?
The implications are major.
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Re: IEA new lower demand forecasts ??

Postby Heineken » Fri 12 May 2006, 12:46:30

I seriously doubt that even a small fraction of those airports will ever be built. Not with the oil price at whatever astronomical level it will be at in five years.

Planning is one thing; doing is another.

The Chinese have foolishly opted to try to reproduce U.S.-scale infrastructure in their country, but they'll never get there. They're too late to the party.
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Re: IEA new lower demand forecasts ??

Postby SoothSayer » Fri 12 May 2006, 13:10:12

>> Planning is one thing; doing is another.

Err ... unless they KNOW they WILL have access to oil.

Perhaps they have already made contractual arrangments with Saudi and other suppliers?

Or perhaps they intend to put their expanding naval fleet to use at some stage?

If they DO get that fuel then someone else will have to do without.

If they DON'T get that fuel then they will be VERY annoyed.

Either way, China is going to be a problem for the West.
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Re: IEA new lower demand forecasts ??

Postby nth » Fri 12 May 2006, 13:16:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I') seriously doubt that even a small fraction of those airports will ever be built. Not with the oil price at whatever astronomical level it will be at in five years.

Planning is one thing; doing is another.

The Chinese have foolishly opted to try to reproduce U.S.-scale infrastructure in their country, but they'll never get there. They're too late to the party.


I agree they are late to the game and should not follow the same path, but sadly they are putting money into these plans. They have build lots of freeways and more will be completed. They have also submit orders for many planes and start construction to expand airports. These are all money allocated and spend. Of course, there are more yet to be spend, but there are few evidence of slowing down. Some of the freeways have very few cars, but despite that, the freeway building is continuing.
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Re: IEA new lower demand forecasts ??

Postby Heineken » Sat 13 May 2006, 09:18:43

Yes, China is proceeding with development as though the oil (and fresh water and other vital resources) will always be there. But then, so is the US. It's crazy. In my own county here in VA, a mostly rural county with growthist aspirations, there are all sorts of vast development projects in active planning. They are described weekly in the county newspaper, with no mention or consideration of the energy needs and costs.

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Re: IEA new lower demand forecasts ??

Postby Dukat_Reloaded » Sat 13 May 2006, 11:12:55

All those Asian countries are on the verge of collapase, that will soon bring down the price of oil greatly.
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Re: IEA new lower demand forecasts ??

Postby oilluber » Sat 13 May 2006, 12:15:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dukat_Reloaded', 'A')ll those Asian countries are on the verge of collapase, that will soon bring down the price of oil greatly.

I guess you are an american, so the US is in fine shape ??
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Re: IEA new lower demand forecasts ??

Postby Heineken » Sat 13 May 2006, 12:35:02

A drop in the price of oil will lead to increased demand for oil and a return to high prices. There's no way out of this box.
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Re: IEA new lower demand forecasts ??

Postby Dukat_Reloaded » Sat 13 May 2006, 20:51:32

It will takes years for those countries to get back on their feet. Darn if someone was living the good life, consuming oil at $70, the costs slowly build up and the banks foreclose on that persons business and the person declares bankrupcy, if oil drops to $30, that person still won't be buying.
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Wood Mackenzie Energy Outlook

Postby wowpleasewakeupalready » Fri 26 May 2006, 19:33:54

This is dated May 2006 - sorry if this has already been posted.


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Re: Wood Mackenzie Energy Outlook

Postby killJOY » Fri 26 May 2006, 20:45:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')mple supply to 2015 Wood Mackenzie's forecast shows non-OPEC production has not peaked and, in fact, we expect it to increase until 2013 - eight more years of growth. Combined with projected gains from OPEC, supply can readily meet demand in the next ten years.

There must be a Large Anus somewhere, out of which anyone anywhere can yank a figure they find congenial. And you wonder why I hang out my windows some nights, screaming. Just screaming.

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Re: Wood Mackenzie Energy Outlook

Postby TheTurtle » Fri 26 May 2006, 21:03:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', '
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Re: Wood Mackenzie Energy Outlook

Postby wowpleasewakeupalready » Fri 26 May 2006, 21:04:24

From what I hear, WoodMac is considered to be at the forefront in terms of energy analysis.

Sorry their long term report does not fit into your paradigm.

Instead of just hanging out of the window screaming, maybe you should jump.
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Re: Wood Mackenzie Energy Outlook

Postby Zardoz » Fri 26 May 2006, 23:57:39

According to the IEA's forecast, demand will rise to 86,000,0000 BPD in the fourth quarter of this year. Meanwhile, we've been stuck at a production plateau of 84,000,000 since the fourth quarter of 2004.

In other words, we'll know in December whether or not we're at the dreaded peak. Let's see if Santa brings us an additional 2,000,000 barrels a day. Otherwise, Wood Mackenzie is as clueless as everybody else.
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Re: Wood Mackenzie Energy Outlook

Postby DantesPeak » Sat 27 May 2006, 00:44:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')errorism and political instability, but we have used conservative outlooks that help account for such potential events.


I want some of the paradigm they've been smoking that let's them predict terrorism, political events, and areas of instabilty over the next 10 years.
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Re: Wood Mackenzie Energy Outlook

Postby nth » Sat 27 May 2006, 01:31:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'A')ccording to the IEA's forecast, demand will rise to 86,000,0000 BPD in the fourth quarter of this year. Meanwhile, we've been stuck at a production plateau of 84,000,000 since the fourth quarter of 2004.

In other words, we'll know in December whether or not we're at the dreaded peak. Let's see if Santa brings us an additional 2,000,000 barrels a day. Otherwise, Wood Mackenzie is as clueless as everybody else.


84mbpd? I don't know what numbers you are using as basis, but 2005 is higher than 2004. Mackenzie is just saying 2006 will be higher than 2005. Depending on how you come up with the numbers, you will get different numbers.

Every single institution that calculates their own numbers show differences. Not a single one confirms the others number exactly. Simmons has listed this as a major complaint. Especially, the supply and demand numbers don't match.

I can totally see why Mackenzie lists Non-OPEC PO after 2013. They are using what you guys will call conservative estimates of declining production in brown fields. That is the major contention between PO and non-PO analysis. The non-PO believed in technology to slowdown declines in brown fields, while PO believes in accelerated decline when enhanced recovery methods are applied after a brief boost. I don't know Mackenzie's exact model, but it is the same story for CERA and IEA, etc.... They all just assume a more robust enhanced recovery ability than you guys believed.
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