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THE International Energy Agency (IEA) Thread pt 1 (merged) A

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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA Supply Chart says "maybe"

Unread postby Geko45 » Wed 26 Jul 2006, 11:24:13

And for comparison sake here is the monthly data from the EIA with my own projection overlaid.

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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA Supply Chart says "maybe"

Unread postby Armageddon » Wed 26 Jul 2006, 12:13:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'I') think it's very hard to say at this point. There are still some saying that new sources are coming on line to the tune of a few million extra barrels in the next five years. I think we can safely say that five more years will tell the tale. I don't expect truth from them at all. They have every incentive in the world to use every Enron accounting trick in the book to make it seem like production is keeping pace. It's going to be quite a jolt though at some point. A world wide recession must set in, since demand cannot keep growing beyond supply for vary long. The first phas willbe skyrocketing prices. The second phase will be a decrease in demand and production of things like cars and tractors etc. The third pahse well... Economists are in a pinch. If basic economic theory is correct then no alternatives will be cost effective at prices that avoid recession and eventually a global depression. So long and thanks for all the fish!


My thoughts also. The 3 step plan to PO and the financial crises.

1) Prices soar as supply cant meet demand
2) Recession hits causing demand slowdown
3) Financial collapse due to huge consumer debt and major economic downturn leading to depression bigger and deeper than the great one.
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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA Supply Chart says "maybe"

Unread postby whereagles » Wed 26 Jul 2006, 12:16:15

Zardoz, you want me to tell you? Fine, I'll tell you :)

First off, as a mathematician (physicist actually..), I must warn you that 6 samples cannot give reliable statistics. That being said, what I see here is..

1) Demand oscillating in a regular pattern (less in spring, more in winter) while climbing in a steady line at the same time.

2) Supply roughly constant.

Extrapolating the picture of supply/demand, we can expect another 1-2 years before supply cannot meet the pace anymore and shortages start to kick in.

I guess my analysis puts me in the "doomer" camp, but bear in mind 6 points is *really* too little for predicting anything with confidence. Especially in a highly non-linear system as this one.. lol :)
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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA Supply Chart says "maybe"

Unread postby nth » Wed 26 Jul 2006, 12:33:56

Who said non opec peaked?
Non opec is still supposed to increase.
Non Saudi Arabia is supposed to increase.
Saudi Arabia is supposed to be in a plateau until 2009 or so after before they get enough drilling to start increasing production.
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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA Supply Chart says "maybe"

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Wed 26 Jul 2006, 13:33:49

Got any data on projected supply through 2007?
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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA Supply Chart says "maybe"

Unread postby garyp » Wed 26 Jul 2006, 13:49:41

The originating report seems to suggest the growth in supply being driven by non-OPEC sources. "60% from the FSU and Africa, 30% from the americas". Its put down to "new oilfields and an assumed rebound after severe 2005/2006 outages". Also, strangely, the north sea is supposed to see a "temporary respite in 2007".

In short, its a case of everything coming up roses.

Generally Murphy has something to say about that.
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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA Supply Chart says "maybe"

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Wed 26 Jul 2006, 13:55:02

What I'd *really* like to see is a breakdown of oils held in the SPR by it's specific gravity over the last couple of years.
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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA Supply Chart says "maybe"

Unread postby nth » Wed 26 Jul 2006, 13:55:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'G')ot any data on projected supply through 2007?


You look like you been here for awhile.
Lots of lists by different people.
chris skrebowski is my favorite.
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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA Supply Chart says "maybe"

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Wed 26 Jul 2006, 13:57:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nth', 'Y')ou look like you been here for awhile.
Lots of lists by different people.
chris skrebowski is my favorite.


But I'm so damn lazy... :-D
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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA Supply Chart says "maybe"

Unread postby nth » Wed 26 Jul 2006, 14:01:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nth', 'Y')ou look like you been here for awhile.
Lots of lists by different people.
chris skrebowski is my favorite.


But I'm so damn lazy... :-D


What is your point?
No one denies there are new oil fields coming online.
The only argument that POers are advocating is that declining productions are underestimated, so despite new fields coming online, we will see total declining production.
If you are lazy, then you don't need to see the list. It won't do you any good. The list won't tell you how fast the declines are for existing fields.
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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA Supply Chart says "maybe"

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Wed 26 Jul 2006, 14:49:36

I don't know why you are getting all bent out of shape, I was just hoping someone had world production projections for 2007. Right now, the only figure I'm working off of is pup55's "best case" from June 16 here. Because right now, my projection using that figure doesn't look very promising:
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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA Supply Chart says "maybe"

Unread postby truecougarblue » Wed 26 Jul 2006, 15:07:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'H')as anyone done this already?


I've done it for monthly numbers back to 2001. I just recently posted the data because I had trouble with posting files.

Search my user name and you'll see the post. I think it does show something interesting. 70 something ordered pairs give a much better trend line as well.
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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA Supply Chart says "maybe"

Unread postby truecougarblue » Wed 26 Jul 2006, 16:30:54

As my Calculus professor once said, "slope is everything".

When I decided to look at this I expected something a bit more dramatic, but even so as a chart watcher I can immediately see where this correlation is headed.
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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA Supply Chart says "maybe"

Unread postby ohanian » Wed 26 Jul 2006, 18:01:06

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Re: Plateau, or no? IEA Supply Chart says "maybe"

Unread postby truecougarblue » Wed 26 Jul 2006, 20:39:36

So sorry, got distracted by actual work. See my PM reply.
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