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THE International Energy Agency (IEA) Thread pt 1 (merged) A

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Re: Imports From IEA Countries Are Almost Completed

Unread postby Leanan » Fri 18 Nov 2005, 13:51:31

Oil slides below $56 on record stockpiles

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')peculators are betting prices will keep falling and have pushed net short positions to the lowest level in more than two years. Prices have fallen more than $14 from an Aug. 30 peak.


Another interesting story in today's business news:

Copper Futures Hit All-Time High

A Chinese guy named Liu Qibing placed some shorts that the market thinks he can't cover:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')raders said Liu started to make bets as early as last year on a belief copper prices would fall. Prices fell to around $2,500 in May 2004, but have since soared to successive peaks as an ever wider array of investors jumped on the China demand bandwagon.

Market sources said the center might have been aware of the short positions in April this year and may have given Liu six months to settle them. He has not contacted his business counterparts since early October.

Some metals traders have previously said their Chinese colleagues like gambling and often do not set price limits for their positions, believing they will always come right in the end.
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Re: Imports From IEA Countries Are Almost Completed

Unread postby nth » Fri 18 Nov 2005, 16:37:09

Regarding US SPR, they can fill it up 100kb a month if they wanted to fill it with sour heavy crude. Lots of it available in Mexico and Ecuador that are having a hard time finding buyers.

But again, not enough to fill up the SPR before next hurricane season.
Oh boy... 16mb per hurricane season... that is hard to refill up in time.

Also, the pace of fixing and rebuilding the infrastructure is so slow that by the time they are done, they will have another hurricane hit them.

Also, refineries are having a very hard time getting equipment they need like cokers and other stuff to refine heavy crude.

We are in a bad mess, but luckily, Europe seems to have spare refinery capacity. I did not know that.
Anyone know if this is for real?
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IEA market report- Possible explanation?

Unread postby mekrob » Fri 10 Feb 2006, 23:45:38

I was sifting through their latest market report here: link
It is the first one from January 2006.
It was interesting to note though that oil production in nearly all of the regions/nations given had declines in the middle of the summer for the past two years (only years they give). I don't understand why they would all do that. I understand how that could happen in the US where there are hurricanes to consider, but the North Sea? Norway? Kazakhstan? Is there any possible explanation for this? They don't even mention this in their report, which seems odd since they all occur right around the same time. Can someone explain this?
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Re: IEA market report- Possible explanation?

Unread postby smiley » Sun 12 Feb 2006, 11:08:39

Yes there is a very simple explanantion: maintenance.

Early summer is the best time to do maintenance in the North Sea. You have the least risk of storm related delays.
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Re: IEA market report- Possible explanation?

Unread postby mekrob » Sun 12 Feb 2006, 11:16:19

Mainenance is best for Canada, the lower 48, Norway, Kazakhstan in the summer? It seems pretty odd that they'd all be around the same 3/4 month period.
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IEA: "Iran war? No worries, 4 years of reserves!!"

Unread postby Barbara » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 05:22:05

Just read on La Repubblica here:
http://www.repubblica.it/news/ired/ulti ... 59598.html

Claude Mandil IEA #1 says there's no reason to worry for oil in case of an Iran war. Since Iran provides 2,7 millions barrels/day, and IEA reserves are 4 billions barrels, voilà we can easily afford a 4 years war without a blink. IEA reserves will provide to our oil needs.

(Translation: reassure the markets. Let's make this war. Iran and oil are no linked.)

(Other translation: who cares of Iran oil? After all, only Europeans buy it.)
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Re: IEA: "Iran war? No worries, 4 years of reserves!!&q

Unread postby abundantsun » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 05:24:43

I'd say it's astounding how shortsighted most of the current leadership is but that wouldn't capture the hallucinagenic quality.
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Re: IEA: "Iran war? No worries, 4 years of reserves!!&q

Unread postby BrazilianPO » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 05:35:41

Iran is gone. Bush will not let Iran continue its nuclear program, even if it is for civilian purposes. I was thinking about buying a house on a 10-year mortgage plan as the prices have gone down a bit in Australia. Now I am really leaning towards waiting till the end of the year, as Iran will be toast by then and oil will shoot up through the roof and knock-off the Australian housing market. Maybe I can save a few bucks. :roll:
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Re: IEA: "Iran war? No worries, 4 years of reserves!!&a

Unread postby thor » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 07:49:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BrazilianPO', 'N')ow I am really leaning towards waiting till the end of the year, as Iran will be toast by then and oil will shoot up through the roof and knock-off the Australian housing market. Maybe I can save a few bucks. :roll:


Don't forget that the value of money will be knocked-off, so back to square one. Bummer.
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Re: IEA: "Iran war? No worries, 4 years of reserves!!&q

Unread postby mermaid » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 08:33:04

they are definately more intelligent than we are aware of, it is all about power, money and destruction.
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Re: IEA: "Iran war? No worries, 4 years of reserves!!&a

Unread postby something_awfull » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 08:42:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thor', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BrazilianPO', 'N')ow I am really leaning towards waiting till the end of the year, as Iran will be toast by then and oil will shoot up through the roof and knock-off the Australian housing market. Maybe I can save a few bucks. :roll:


Don't forget that the value of money will be knocked-off, so back to square one. Bummer.


meh, i still owe the bank shitloads for my house ($AU250,000.00), i expect we'll end up moving back into the parents house or something, when TSHTF :(
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Re: IEA: "Iran war? No worries, 4 years of reserves!!&q

Unread postby mermaid » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 08:51:30

I also owe the bank sh*tloads, the thing is, everyone does.....I think we all end up in a tent in front of our houses, everyone on the campingsite!haha.
I do not worry about the sh*tloads, i do worry about bigger things like food and water, and other basic things. for now, basic things are easy to get because of our oil, when there's nothing left, how do we get simple things, i am afraid to drink from the water in the creek behind my house, it poluted!! without energie, there will be no clean drinkingwater!!
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Re: IEA: "Iran war? No worries, 4 years of reserves!!&q

Unread postby shakespear1 » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 09:09:08

Just maintaining uncertainty and instability is making money for a lot of FAT CATs. The cost for the others fat cats are just passed on to the little guy. Nice deal I'd say. 8)
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Re: IEA: "Iran war? No worries, 4 years of reserves!!&q

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 10:00:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Barbara', 'J')ust read on La Repubblica here:
http://www.repubblica.it/news/ired/ulti ... 59598.html

Claude Mandil IEA #1 says there's no reason to worry for oil in case of an Iran war. Since Iran provides 2,7 millions barrels/day, and IEA reserves are 4 billions barrels, voilà we can easily afford a 4 years war without a blink. IEA reserves will provide to our oil needs.

(Translation: reassure the markets. Let's make this war. Iran and oil are no linked.)

(Other translation: who cares of Iran oil? After all, only Europeans buy it.)


Maybe someone should mention to Claude about the ~17 million barrels per day that float out to world markets through the strait...
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Re: IEA: "Iran war? No worries, 4 years of reserves!!&a

Unread postby BrazilianPO » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 18:26:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thor', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BrazilianPO', 'N')ow I am really leaning towards waiting till the end of the year, as Iran will be toast by then and oil will shoot up through the roof and knock-off the Australian housing market. Maybe I can save a few bucks. :roll:


Don't forget that the value of money will be knocked-off, so back to square one. Bummer.


Actually, real estate is priced in local currency. If there is inflation, we have two effects: recession and higher interest rates. If you leave your savings at the bank, you can get back part of what the inflation eats up every month. OTOH, housing prices will drop anyway. So, IMHO waiting is still the best option, by now. Everybody loses, of course, but real estate will get a big hit, especially after prices doubling in the last 4 years.
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Re: IEA: "Iran war? No worries, 4 years of reserves!!&q

Unread postby shortonoil » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 18:51:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')laude Mandil IEA #1 says there's no reason to worry for oil in case of an Iran war. Since Iran provides 2,7 millions barrels/day, and IEA reserves are 4 billions barrels, voilà we can easily afford a 4 years war without a blink. IEA reserves will provide to our oil needs.

(Translation: reassure the markets. Let's make this war. Iran and oil are no linked.)

(Other translation: who cares of Iran oil? After all, only Europeans buy it.)



What Claude forgot to mention is that a lot of that 4 billion barrels is in the pipes that feed the refineries. To get it out you have to put something in the other end. For instance in the US we have about 320 mb of stock (less SPR), 270 mb of that is flowing from its source to the refineries. Our working inventory is only 50 mb, a 2.5 day supply. Claude sure talks a happy scenario, but I have a feeling that when/if Bushy pops Iran things might not work out to well for us. Of course when has the Bush Bunch ever did anything that worked out very well for us?
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IEA new lower demand forecasts ??

Unread postby oilluber » Fri 12 May 2006, 08:16:05

any comments here ??
the crude futures took a hit this morning.

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Re: IEA new lower demand forecasts ??

Unread postby dukey » Fri 12 May 2006, 08:23:32

demand destrution last year was just a myth
prices aren't wildly different to then,
i doubt anything has changed
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Re: IEA new lower demand forecasts ??

Unread postby lorenzo » Fri 12 May 2006, 08:49:34

This is great news!

If prices stay high, while demand stays high as well (elasticity remains low for oil), then this is a fantastic incentive for alternative energy.

Many biofuels producers based their project plans in 2004 on a US$40 per barrel price. They found investors and the plans made economic sense based on these projections. But now with an oil price of US$ 75 a barrel... investors feel they're going to make fat amounts of money, so they keep pouring it into biofuels...

In short, let's keep things this way! They're essential to make the transition to the post-oil era.
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Re: IEA new lower demand forecasts ??

Unread postby Heineken » Fri 12 May 2006, 08:51:29

It's just another bullshit effort to talk down the price of oil. The impact of such yogic contortions is fleeting.
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