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THE International Energy Agency (IEA) Thread pt 1 (merged) A

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Imports From IEA Countries Are Almost Completed

Postby BabyPeanut » Thu 17 Nov 2005, 10:50:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000102&sid=aZ5kykgXhwno&refer=uk]Oil Little Changed After Rising on Unexpected U.S. Supply Drop (link)[/url]

By Will Kennedy and Gavin Evans

Nov. 17 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil was little changed in New York after rebounding from a four-month low yesterday when the U.S. government reported an unexpected decline in oil supplies.

Stockpiles of crude oil fell 0.7 percent to 321.4 million barrels last week, the first decline since September, as imports slumped. Inventories had risen as International Energy Agency members supplied the U.S. with oil as part of a plan to moderate the impact of August's Hurricane Katrina on energy prices.

``Imports from IEA countries are almost completed,'' said Tetsu Emori, a strategist at Mitsui Bussan Futures Ltd in Tokyo. ``The demand-supply balance is a little tighter.''

Completed? What did he mean by "imports are almost completed"? Is the US self-sufficient again?

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Re: Imports From IEA Countries Are Almost Completed

Postby killJOY » Thu 17 Nov 2005, 11:01:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat did he mean by "imports are almost completed"? Is the US self-sufficient again?
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Re: Imports From IEA Countries Are Almost Completed

Postby aahala » Thu 17 Nov 2005, 11:09:47

With the declaration the US would no longer import oil, future prices
on the NY Shoe Exchange were up sharply. Let the walking begin. :P
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Re: Imports From IEA Countries Are Almost Completed

Postby Typhoon » Thu 17 Nov 2005, 12:03:43

These emergency imports are indeed over. I fear that the market has been too optimistic about supply. The unseasonably warm weather over the Eastern U.S. is now turning into unseasonably cold weather. $70 per barrel, here we come!
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Re: Imports From IEA Countries Are Almost Completed

Postby Cynus » Thu 17 Nov 2005, 12:16:09

Just in time for a cold snap to hit the country!
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Re: Imports From IEA Countries Are Almost Completed

Postby dukey » Thu 17 Nov 2005, 13:33:37

cold weather has just hit the UK
after the last month or 2 being unseasonably warm

i have a feeling prices could very very easily go up significantly when these IEA 'loans' end. Quite scary
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Re: Imports From IEA Countries Are Almost Completed

Postby Free » Thu 17 Nov 2005, 14:24:15

For a native speaker like me it is easy to see that Etsu-San wanted to say the imports are "depleted" instead of "completed". :P
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Re: Imports From IEA Countries Are Almost Completed

Postby elroy » Thu 17 Nov 2005, 17:10:38

Well they were emergency strategic reserves, we wouldn't wanna ship it all over to the usa. Kinda defeats the purpose of 'reserves'.
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Re: Imports From IEA Countries Are Almost Completed

Postby Dukat_Reloaded » Thu 17 Nov 2005, 17:45:50

I don't see the colleration of colder weather increasing oil usage. I believe the colder the weather the less oil people will use because it will be too cold to bother leaving their homes. They will use more gas, but gas is not oil, and many people have sitched over to wood/pellet stoves, freeing up alot of the gas usage. There is nothing to worry about this winter and I see oil prices declining.
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Re: Imports From IEA Countries Are Almost Completed

Postby Dukat_Reloaded » Thu 17 Nov 2005, 17:47:01

And from the ponl report, we are still increasing oil production, so there is no need to worry.
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Re: Imports From IEA Countries Are Almost Completed

Postby bobcousins » Thu 17 Nov 2005, 18:00:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukat', 'I') don't see the colleration of colder weather increasing oil usage. I believe the colder the weather the less oil people will use because it will be too cold to bother leaving their homes. They will use more gas, but gas is not oil, and many people have sitched over to wood/pellet stoves, freeing up alot of the gas usage. There is nothing to worry about this winter and I see oil prices declining.


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Re: Imports From IEA Countries Are Almost Completed

Postby Mesuge » Thu 17 Nov 2005, 20:02:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('elroy', 'W')ell they were emergency strategic reserves, we wouldn't wanna ship it all over to the usa. Kinda defeats the purpose of 'reserves'.


No wonder when the guys on both shores of the Atlantic believe in guarding world market stability at any price aka EU taxes subsidizing SUV porn in the states.. The EU Commission pressed hard for giving these reserves without asking any conditions (improve your mpg etc)..
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Re: Imports From IEA Countries Are Almost Completed

Postby Dukat_Reloaded » Thu 17 Nov 2005, 21:34:38

Thanks bobcousins, as you can see oil has reached new lows again at $56US now. Now with gold going up, there is more economic uncertainity and that is forcing the price of oil down as well, economic growth is forcasted to be slower next year than this year which will ofcourse bring oil prices down futher.
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Re: Imports From IEA Countries Are Almost Completed

Postby AlCzervik » Thu 17 Nov 2005, 23:57:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukat', 'T')hanks bobcousins, as you can see oil has reached new lows again at $56US now. Now with gold going up, there is more economic uncertainity and that is forcing the price of oil down as well, economic growth is forcasted to be slower next year than this year which will ofcourse bring oil prices down futher.


So, as long as the Europeans keep giving us their strategic reserves, everything will be OK, right?

You are ignoring the heating oil demand that will take place in the NE U.S. this winter.

And then there's this from From The Wilderness. I can't link the entire story, but I'll give you a nugget:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hen I asked Simmons how badly we were setting ourselves up for a major crisis this winter he didn’t hesitate. “Terribly! Because we needed to keep prices high to send out some signals that we needed to watch how we use energy. These signals are only encouraging people to use more.”

Then I asked the single most important question I had brought to the conference. “We know about the hurricane damage to refineries, to the terminals, and that we have lost 108 rigs in the Gulf. But what about the pipelines from rig to shore? If those are down, nothing else matters.”

As usual, Simmons showed no hesitation. “You know why you haven’t heard anything? Because they don’t have any idea. It’s hard to make a report when you don’t know anything. Unfortunately, there are some reports that say that the pipelines aren’t leaking. But so what? They’re not on. Nobody’s turned them on because they don’t know how extensive the damage is and they don’t know whether they’re going to start pumping oil and gas directly into the water.”

If Simmons is correct then that means that all US oil and natural gas production from the Gulf (except for the small portion transported by tanker) is still shut in and whether rigs are standing and refineries are working, as touted in the press, is irrelevant if there’s no way to get the product ashore.

Upon hearing what Simmons had told me, a retired production manager from the Gulf who spoke on condition of anonymity said, “He’s right but I can tell you that the pipeline damage is catastrophic and it’s going to take years to fix.”

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Re: Imports From IEA Countries Are Almost Completed

Postby Cynus » Fri 18 Nov 2005, 09:56:56

The US has also been tapping its own strategic reserve. Does anyone have the numbers on how much is being taken, and how much remains in the reserve, and how much longer it can plug the gap?
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Re: Imports From IEA Countries Are Almost Completed

Postby killJOY » Fri 18 Nov 2005, 10:13:55

Cynus, this article here talks about it. It's got a fifteen-part segment, so you'll have to dig around.

http://tinyurl.com/7d4v2$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hough the goal of 700 million barrels was reached just prior to Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, 16 million barrels have since been released as a result of the devastation in the gulf coast region. As of November 8, 2005, the SPR comprised 684.7 million barrels of oil, an equivalent to 56 days
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Re: Imports From IEA Countries Are Almost Completed

Postby AirlinePilot » Fri 18 Nov 2005, 10:42:40

At the very least we can assume that as soon as it becomes common "market" knowledge that these emergency imports are coming to an end the price of crude and gas will likely start back up. At what point also do we discontinue the SPR drain and fill it back up again? As I understand it, this takes oil off the world market while thats being done. On another thread here there was talk about the SPR being taken to 1 billion bbls, has anyone substantiated that as of yet?
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Re: Imports From IEA Countries Are Almost Completed

Postby Cynus » Fri 18 Nov 2005, 11:11:43

Or, having spent his first term filling the SPR, Bush could just release from it for the duration of his second term to keep oil prices low and mask the effects of PO.
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Re: Imports From IEA Countries Are Almost Completed

Postby Mesuge » Fri 18 Nov 2005, 11:51:38

Al> thanks for this post hurricane situation update..

The oil futures market current low score exactly shows how it can delay price signals in the most dangerous moment. If damage in the gulf is so extensive, strategic reserves from EU on hold this might end up as pretty ugly winter..

Just add some variable factors such as last minute outpricing of some part of the Chavezoil for Chinese or South American markets instead and the doom is looming..
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