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THE Atheist Thread (merged)

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Theist or Atheist?

Poll ended at Sun 02 Jan 2005, 04:10:00

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Atheist
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Total votes : 71

Re: Atheists Most Hated Group In America

Unread postby TheTurtle » Mon 27 Mar 2006, 19:48:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I') think there is a missing element in your poll. How many Americans actually know what "atheist" means? Half of them probably think that atheists are alien invaders from the planet Athes or some such.


Errr ... can I change my vote? :oops:
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Re: Atheists Most Hated Group In America

Unread postby SeasonOfPain » Tue 28 Mar 2006, 00:03:57

I tell everyone that I'm an atheist, but secretly I'm a follower of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Speaking of which, the Gospel is due out tomorrow. Can't wait!!
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Re: Atheists Most Hated Group In America

Unread postby Rambo » Tue 28 Mar 2006, 06:28:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I') think there is a missing element in your poll. How many Americans actually know what "atheist" means? Half of them probably think that atheists are alien invaders from the planet Athes or some such.


Yes if the United States was nuked the average I.Q of the entire planet would rise 20% overnight. :lol:
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Re: Atheists Most Hated Group In America

Unread postby Novus » Tue 28 Mar 2006, 08:58:35

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Yes if the United States was nuked the average I.Q of the entire planet would rise 20% overnight. :lol:


Such comments, and you actualy wonder why American's HATE atheists.
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Re: Atheists Most Hated Group In America

Unread postby rogerhb » Tue 28 Mar 2006, 17:32:15

How about Americans who say they are Christian because they did not know there was an option?
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Re: Atheists Most Hated Group In America

Unread postby threadbear » Tue 28 Mar 2006, 18:32:04

Atheists the most hated? I don't believe it. Agnostics are probably the most hated, but I'm not quite sure.
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Re: Atheists Most Hated Group In America

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 28 Mar 2006, 18:40:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'A')theists the most hated? I don't believe it. Agnostics are probably the most hated, but I'm not quite sure.
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Re: Atheists Most Hated Group In America

Unread postby UIUCstudent01 » Tue 28 Mar 2006, 22:51:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'H')ow about Americans who say they are Christian because they did not know there was an option?


Truth.

Also, there's a community element in a Church that no 'atheist group' if it exists can achieve. So, in effect, declaring atheism isn't all that advantageous while declaring Christianity of some kind can instantly make you part of a community with no-doubt-about-it good ideals. And humans are pack animals.
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Re: Atheists Most Hated Group In America

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Wed 29 Mar 2006, 02:38:43

This "study" was conducted in Plano, Texas!!!! I mean come off it... isn't this trolling? I almost choked when I read that... Its like asking hillbillies about French Chardonay! Do they even know how to spell the words to look them up in a dictionary??? Like really eh??? (insert smilie bashing head on brick wall)
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Re: Atheists Most Hated Group In America

Unread postby kochevnik » Wed 29 Mar 2006, 18:26:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'T')his "study" was conducted in Plano, Texas!!!! I mean come off it... isn't this trolling? I almost choked when I read that... Its like asking hillbillies about French Chardonay! Do they even know how to spell the words to look them up in a dictionary??? Like really eh??? (insert smilie bashing head on brick wall)



Ummmm - the study was conducted in that bastion of rednecks - Minnesota. And it was telephone poll, I doubt they only called Minnesotans.

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Re: Atheists Most Hated Group In America

Unread postby ejacob3 » Wed 29 Mar 2006, 19:36:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', 'e')verybody's got their god. the atheist's god is no-god, and some of them are as fanactical as any bible thumber or koran jockey.


If atheism is a religion, then "not collecting stamps" is a hobby. 8)


Good point and nice counter to the typical religious bigotry double talk. I don't pray to any invisable man nor do I car that someone else does.

I don't discourage anyones beliefs nor do I share mine because it is just rude (like politics)....someone will be offended.

I don't openly admit atheism to any one but if they find out I just say that I realized that I was different from the other boys and girls at a very young age.

I do however get unsolicited hostility from people when they learn of my heretics as I call it. I've had neighbors move and stop talking to me altogether. I think this is a great acid test to determine if they are of the type of character that I wish to associate with anyhow.

Lets also not get atheism confused with the non-religious zealots whos main goal is to dispute religion. These are just unbalanced folks that haven't realized that it doesn't matter what you believe or what they believe. These problems are the last thing on ones mind once dead anyhow.

Religion is a distraction that is taking people's attention away from what matters most, which is survival.
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Re: Atheists Most Hated Group In America

Unread postby ejacob3 » Wed 29 Mar 2006, 19:38:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeasonOfPain', 'I') tell everyone that I'm an atheist, but secretly I'm a follower of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Speaking of which, the Gospel is due out tomorrow. Can't wait!!


Amen brother, pirate regalia and all.
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Re: Atheists Most Hated Group In America

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Thu 30 Mar 2006, 14:19:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')rom a telephone sampling of more than 2,000 households in Plano, Texas, university researchers found that Americans rate atheists below Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and other minority groups in “sharing their vision of American society.” Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are least willing to allow their children to marry.


There. Fixed that. :wink:


You say Minnesota but this says Plano, Texas... so which is it? Not that it really makes much difference. Where'd they get their telephone directory? and evangelical church or are all Americans this... way.
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Re: Atheists Most Hated Group In America

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Thu 30 Mar 2006, 14:30:30

While the study was conducted by the Univ or Minn. it was apparently a sampling of people all over the US. (I found a few much better sources for this article)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')Attitudes toward atheists are related to social location," observed the team. "White Americans, males, and those with a college degree are somewhat more accepting of atheists than are nonwhite Americans, females, or those with less formal education."

Respondents from the South and Midwest were less accepting of Atheists than those living on either coast. Curiously, this seems to reflect the political divide of "Red versus Blue" states from the last presidential election.


And it sounds as though ignorance (as in "not knowing better", not "being obnoxious on purpose") is a large part of the equation...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')"Some people view atheists as problematic because they associate them with illegality, such as drug use and prostitution -- that is, with immoral people who threaten respectable community from the lower end of the social hierarchy." Presumably, this might be rooted in the claim that only religion can provide an authentic moral compass, and that without a deity (and the presumed punishment in an afterlife), people have little to lose by engaging in certain immoral, sinful behaviors.

"Others saw atheists as rampant materialists and cultural elitists that threaten common values from above -- the ostentatiously wealthy who make a lifestyle out of consumption or the cultural elites who think they know better than everyone else." In both cases, atheists are perceived as "self interested individuals who are not concerned with a common good."

¶ The issue of elitism surfaces in the study findings, with respondents using the Atheist "as a symbolic figure to represent their fears about ... trends in American life." These included crime, rampant self-interest, and an "unaccountable elite."

"The atheist is invoked rhetorically to discuss the links, or tensions, among religion, morality, civic responsibility and patriotism."

As for elitism, Atheists appear to have replaced groups that in the past have been identified as constituting an over-influential clique subverting American values.
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Re: Atheists Most Hated Group In America

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Thu 30 Mar 2006, 14:39:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'Y')ou say Minnesota but this says Plano, Texas... so which is it? Not that it really makes much difference. Where'd they get their telephone directory? and evangelical church or are all Americans this... way.


My earlier reference to the survey being conducted in Plano, Texas was a joke. It's a notorious haven for megachurch christians and constitutes the quintessential WASP suburb (at least it used to, anyways).
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Re: Atheists Most Hated Group In America

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Thu 30 Mar 2006, 15:05:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y earlier reference to the survey being conducted in Plano, Texas was a joke.


Well you sure got me on that one, and also revealed my own ignorance. Amazing how I paint all Americans with the same brush I have for my American relatives... sheesh.
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Re: Atheists Most Hated Group In America

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Thu 30 Mar 2006, 15:59:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y earlier reference to the survey being conducted in Plano, Texas was a joke.


Well you sure got me on that one, and also revealed my own ignorance. Amazing how I paint all Americans with the same brush I have for my American relatives... sheesh.


No prob...it was a pretty obscure reference anyways. :wink:
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Re: Atheists Most Hated Group In America

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 30 Mar 2006, 17:16:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'w')ith respondents using the Atheist "as a symbolic figure to represent their fears


See!!! Aliens from the planet Athese!!!

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Re: Atheists Most Hated Group In America

Unread postby rogerhb » Thu 30 Mar 2006, 17:30:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')espondents from the South and Midwest were less accepting of Atheists than those living on either coast.


I wonder what they think in Salem.
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Re: Atheists Most Hated Group In America

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 30 Mar 2006, 17:57:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')espondents from the South and Midwest were less accepting of Atheists than those living on either coast.


I wonder what they think in Salem.
It was a while back when they were burning witches. New England is a progressive area and I wouldn't think they would care that much about invaders from the planet Atheses
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