[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'A')dam, you manage to impress the rubes. But not me. You talk like a oil-field engineer. Have a degree? CV?

[kublikhan]

*sigh*

You should not call someone a clown who points out when you make an error pstarr. Better to own up to your mistake and move on. If you needed help identifying which European countries are experiencing oil consumption growth you could have just asked. Here you go:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Country _Percent Oil Consumption Growth from 2014 to 2015
Austria 0.8%
Azerbaijan 1.3%
Belgium 2.3%
Bulgaria 7.8%
Czech Republic 3.1%
Denmark 1.4%
Greece 3.0%
Hungary 8.0%
Ireland 6.0%
Italy 6.2%
Lithuania 3.4%
Norway 0.7%
Poland 5.1%
Portugal 2.2%
Romania 2.0%
Slovakia 11.3%
Spain 2.6%
Switzerland 1.5%
Turkey 12.5%
Turkmenistan 1.6%
United Kingdom 2.4%
Other Europe & Eurasia 0.7%
------------------------------------
Total Europe & Eurasia 0.4%

Global oil consumption grew by 1.9 million barrels per day (b/d), or 1.9% – nearly double the recent historical average. The relative strength of consumption was driven by the OECD countries, where consumption increased by 510,000 b/d (+1.1%), compared with an average decline of 1.1% over the past decade. Growth was well above recent historical averages in the US (+1.6%, or 290,000 b/d) and the EU (+1.5%, or 200,000 b/d).

[kublikhan]

Europe's oil consumption has been falling for a decade. Did you seriously expect them to erase a decade of consumption declines in one year? Not likely. You also said that Europe's consumption was "in" decline. Implying it is falling right now. As I just posted their oil consumption is rising and has been for the past year and a half. It would have been more accurate if you had said: "Europe reverses decade long decline with oil consumption growth."

You were also wrong about the reason for the consumption decline when you dismissed efficiency:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Efficiency Drive
The fall, more than half of which Parry estimates is down to increased fuel efficiency, looks set to keep going into the foreseeable future. fuel demand would now be about 1 million bpd higher than it was 10 years ago without an estimated increase in efficiency of 20 percent in the European car fleet. Between 2011 and 2020, efficiency gains in goods vehicles and buses will push down demand by 180,000 bpd and passenger cars 240,000 bpd. In Britain in 2011 the average new petrol car drove 47 miles per gallon.

[tita]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', 'W')ho's illusion?

[ennui2]

Country _Percent Oil Consumption Growth from 2014 to 2015
Greece 3.0%
Ireland 6.0%
Italy 6.2%
Spain 2.6%

The countries listed are the ones that have had the most economic difficulties lately, you know, debt-bomb/austerity issues. And yet their consumption INCREASES, challenging the correlation = causation narrative.

[Tanada]

If anyone even wants to come close to making "America Energy Independent" like all the politicians of every party claim how could they go about it? The most plausible way I can think of is an energy import tariff that starts small and ramps up every year to encourage domestic production. I don't see such a program ever being passed by either party, too much risk of losing the election that comes after the tariff goes on.

Suggestions for what might actually get done? No pie in the sky Kumbaya crud, I mean real things that might be politically achieved.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'N')ice try, Adam. Still haven't shared you oil-field CV? Here's a list you can select from. I know it's random, but then so is your scam.

- Field Service Tech 42 jobs - Process Control 38 jobs
- Drafting 35 jobs - Coil Tubing 14 jobs
- Well Servicing & Testing 13 jobs - Well Control 10 jobs
- Surveying 9 jobs - Cementing 9 jobs
- Well Intervention 9 jobs - Field Comm / SCADA 8 jobs
- Catering 7 jobs - Mud Engineer / Drilling Fluids 6 jobs
- MWD / LWD 6 jobs - Wireline 5 jobs
- Fishing 4 jobs - Slickline 3 jobs
- Mud Logging 2 jobs - Perforation 2 jobs
- Wireline Logging 2 jobs - Dynamic Pressure Management (MPD / UBD) 1 jobs

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'K')ub, I could go on but trust me . . . I haven't yet found a Euro country where oil consumption is really really really increasing. And before you clowns correct me . . . it is not substitution. It is not "greening". It is not ICE/EV efficiency.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('tita', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', 'W')ho's illusion?

[ennui2]

That graph is a little out of date. We're currently tracking below the lowest estimates. So one can infer that the actual prices going forward won't exceed the reference scenario.

And if the price is going to gently swing upwards through 2040 that both invalidates ETP and Mad-Max doom scenarios in one fell swoop.

I also wonder how much of that gentle upwards swing is predicated on the shift to electric transport. If it isn't, then it will flatten the graph more or even push it negative, not due to EROEI, but due to humans leaving oil faster than oil leaves us.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', '
')incentivize companies to work towards cohesive solutions for natural gas, wind, water and nuclear.

[rockdoc123]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')uggestions for what might actually get done? No pie in the sky Kumbaya crud, I mean real things that might be politically achieved.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'T')hat graph is a little out of date. We're currently tracking below the lowest estimates. So one can infer that the actual prices going forward won't exceed the reference scenario.

[ROCKMAN]

Doc - "..the most effective way of expanding the energy spectrum is incentives which can be partially government investment into necessary research and tax breaks where appropriate." And you can add govt investment in infrastructure such as Texas spending $7 billion to expand our distribution system. An incerntive needed by wind investors that allowed Texas to tie with Germany as the 4th largest alt energy producer on the planet. And like the federal financial support given to the Texas CO2 sequesion project (the largest ever built on the planet) targeting the second largest GHG producer in the country: a power plant that runs 50% on coal.

As long as both sides of the issue maintain an "us against them" position with no room for compromise there will be little progress to improve the situation.

[rockdoc123]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s long as both sides of the issue maintain an "us against them" position with no room for compromise there will be little progress to improve the situation.

[ROCKMAN]

Careful Doc: business and govt linking arms and going forward for the good of the commons: you're starting to sound like a commie...or Chinese. LOL

[kublikhan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'I')f anyone even wants to come close to making "America Energy Independent" like all the politicians of every party claim how could they go about it? The most plausible way I can think of is an energy import tariff that starts small and ramps up every year to encourage domestic production. I don't see such a program ever being passed by either party, too much risk of losing the election that comes after the tariff goes on.

Suggestions for what might actually get done? No pie in the sky Kumbaya crud, I mean real things that might be politically achieved.

[kublikhan]

We should stop subsidizing road construction & maintenance from general taxes and divert those funds to mass transit/rail freight. Force roads users to pay the true costs of construction & maintenance. Once gas taxes/fees are high enough to cover the true costs of our road network, it will act as a disincentive to driving so much.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')as taxes and other fees paid by drivers now cover less than half of road construction and maintenance costs nationally – down from more than 70 percent in the 1960s – with the balance coming chiefly from income, sales and property taxes and other levies on general taxpayers.

General taxpayers at all levels of government now subsidize highway construction and maintenance to the tune of $69 billion per year – an amount exceeding the expenditure of general tax funds to support transit, bicycling, walking and passenger rail combined. Regardless of how much they drive, the average American household bears an annual financial burden of more than $1,100 in taxes and indirect costs from driving – over and above any gas taxes or other fees they pay that are connected with driving. “More and more, though, all of us are bearing the cost of transportation in our tax bills, regardless of how much we drive.”

Ordinary Americans agree. Nearly two-thirds of Americans believe it is appropriate to use gasoline tax revenue to support public transportation, according to a national study released last week by researchers at the Norman Mineta Transportation Institute. Other recent opinion polls suggest that Americans believe that the nation should give greater priority to transit, bicycling and walking in transportation spending.