[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'B')ut it doesn't have to be the powerful using these methods. I read that the Palestinian news is like Glenn Beck all the time. American politics? Zionist conspiracy! Economy? Zionist conspiracy! Weather? Zionist conspiracy! World Cup? Zionist conspiracy!

[Sixstrings]

To try to tie together my very much conflicting views I've just expressed, :

1. Elites always use "the little people" issues, for other ends. That goes for right wing populism, but also left wing too -- a Hillary Clinton is too busy feeling poor compared to her hedge fund friends, to ever really fight for a living wage. That minimum wage should be double what it is, just to make up for 30+ years of inflation.

Would be good for the economy too. It's what is needed -- to get money into workers' hands, people that have jobs, it's better than just having a poor country or gov sending checks out. Have jobs pay a living wage again, for the working class.

They would go spend that money patronizing local businesses, and voila, you've got real economic recovery.

Democrats USE the issue, but never really do anything about it, now do they? It's the same as right wing elites that just use the immigration issue, but aren't really interested in fixing it.

Limousine liberals and Koch brothers, riding in the same limo, to the same opera, funded by the same hedge funds and billionaires. They have their world and we have our world, and they just use us for fights amongst themselves.

2. Being "anti-immigrant" can get ugly real fast and before you know it you're like some right wing hateful nut about it.

You just need some common sense policies. Truth is, we've needed more Mexican immigration than the paltry amount the law allows. That law isn't even enforced, nobody comes in legally, they just walk over the border.

The border does need controlled. Generally, immigration is always good it builds the economy up, but there's just a line there where it's getting to be too much. In total, we've had too much Mexican and central American immigration. It's starting to overwhelm, it's not enough time for assimilation which takes a 2nd generation. You gotta have a breather now and then, a big wave then a second generation, it can't just be wave after wave.

Real economy is still bad right now. I know that rationally, immigration has always wound up good, but OTOH I can't help thinking we're turning into a Mexico ourselves and we're just going to be a messed up South American country ourselves. It's just been too much. Too much immigration, from one place, and people that come in without a nickel on them.

Others come in here with some savings, and they start a business or something. Or they have an education and get right to work (when my mom was in the hospital, it was like the United Nations in there with doctors from around the world. India, Poland, South America).

I guess I'm mixed up on my views, but I KNOW for sure that I wouldn't want to see my country become Mexico. Mexico has some great things about it, but overall, it's a messed up place and I don't want that here. If I wanted to live in Mexico I'd move to Mexico. I'm talking about: all the drug cartels, and all the horrible 3rd world poverty, and the cartels owning the local and federal politicans.

And all the south america stuff that goes on down there, like Columbia with judges getting hit jobs and all that.

If we take too many Mexicans in without time for them to assimilate then don't we run the risk of that happening, here? It looks like it's happening, with these cartels crossing over now.

Secondly, we need to lift up working class wages over here. And I guess that would attract even more immigrants. Well, if it got to be too much then finally build that wall on the border -- which, honestly, should have been done already a long time ago. Globalists thought NAFTA would solve the problem, but it didn't.

I suppose the bottom line on it all is that we've had *too much* working class immigrants coming in. You actually need a bit of a labor shortage to get wages moving upward, and then after that you want to maintain growth without too many flooding in again to depress wages again. And then on top of that, we just shipped so many jobs off with NAFTA and all the trade deals.

The world has billions of people. We can't take them all in, coming over without a nickel on them. Immigrants are good for growth, but there's a limit to what we can take in without looking like the 3rd world ourselves, you know?

[PrestonSturges]

Obama in Denver shakes hands with man in horse mask.

http://www.trbimg.com/img-53bcbb2f/turb ... 8/750/16x9

[Lore]

John Boehner Says He Disagrees With Calls To Impeach Obama

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ASHINGTON -- House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) on Wednesday rejected calls from several conservatives to impeach President Barack Obama.

Speaking to reporters on Capitol Hill, Boehner was asked about former GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin's assertion that House Republicans should impeach Obama rather than sue him, as they are trying to do. Boehner responded by simply saying, "I disagree."

He repeated those words in response to a follow-up question about some members of his conference privately calling for Obama's impeachment.

Boehner is currently pursuing a lawsuit against Obama over his use of executive actions to sidestep Congress. He is expected to bring legislation to the floor later this month that would authorize the House General Counsel to sue the Obama administration and "compel" the president to enforce existing law. The speaker has said the potential legal action is not about impeachment, despite speculation that it may be a prelude to impeachment proceedings in the House.

Palin derided the lawsuit on Tuesday and reiterated her belief that Republicans should push for impeachment instead. "You don’t bring a lawsuit to a gunfight, and there’s no room for lawyers on our front lines," Palin said on Fox News' "Hannity."

Erick Erickson, editor of the conservative blog RedState.com, also ridiculed Boehner over the lawsuit, referring to it as a "political stunt." Like Palin, Erickson argued that the speaker should "man up" and fight the president, though he stopped short of arguing Republicans should impeach Obama.

Most House Republicans appear to disagree with their critics on the right and are throwing their support behind Boehner's lawsuit. Even some of the lower chamber's most conservative members conceded to The Huffington Post on Tuesday that impeachment is an unrealistic goal.

Frustrated by a gridlocked Congress, Obama declared 2014 a "year of action" and has issued executive orders on immigration, the federal minimum wage and federal pay discrimination. He is also planning to use his executive authority to take action to reduce carbon emissions from coal-fired power plants and implement workplace protections for the LGBT community. Obama's defenders have pointed out that the president has pursued relatively few executive orders compared to his predecessors.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/0 ... d%3D499279

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')bama's defenders have pointed out that the president has pursued relatively few executive orders compared to his predecessors.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '[')

Knock it off...I'm a guy!

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
') Now as to listing all Obama's faults you only asked for one and I had other things to do so I'll let you do your own research. In my view ever thing this administration has touched has turned to crap from Benghazi to the VA. Some of it by mere incompetence and some of it through criminal neglect and corruption. I hope we get better in 2017. We are really going to need competent and honest leadership by then.

[vtsnowedin]

I'll give you this one.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ubstantially increased the number of drone strikes targeting suspected terrorists around the world

[dinopello]

Sarah Palin mocks Boehner and his mamby-pamby lawsuit

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')fter calling for President Barack Obama’s impeachment, Sarah Palin is slamming House Speaker John Boehner’s plan to sue the president and is demanding tougher action against the “imperial president.”

“You don’t bring a lawsuit to a gunfight, and there’s no room for lawyers on our front lines,” Palin said Tuesday on Fox News’ “Hannity.”

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'I')'ll give you this one.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ubstantially increased the number of drone strikes targeting suspected terrorists around the world

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '[')url=http://www.politico.com/story/2014/07/sarah-palin-impeachment-john-boehner-lawsuit-108698.html]Sarah Palin mocks Boehner and his mamby-pamby lawsuit[/url]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')fter calling for President Barack Obama’s impeachment, Sarah Palin is slamming House Speaker John Boehner’s plan to sue the president and is demanding tougher action against the “imperial president.”

“You don’t bring a lawsuit to a gunfight, and there’s no room for lawyers on our front lines,” Palin said Tuesday on Fox News’ “Hannity.”

[Plantagenet]

Boehner is Speaker of the House. When he says there won't be an impeachment of Obama then there won't be.

Its no different then when Pelosi said there wouldn't be an impeachment of George Bush when she was speaker of the House in response to demands from the wingnuts in the democrat party.


If we didn't impeach Bush, then we aren't going to impeach obama. Its best that way---impeachment should be reserved for truly egregious things like Bill Clinton lying under oath.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'O')bama in Denver shakes hands with man in horse mask.

[PrestonSturges]

I have a hard time relating to historical dress in America. In the Civil War soldiers were running around in long underwear and even wool coats in the summer. A poor city worker might only have one decent shirt, which got dried in the radiator and worn every day. Children often went barefoot even when they had jobs.

[Oneaboveall]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'T')o try to tie together my very much conflicting views I've just expressed, :

1. Elites always use "the little people" issues, for other ends. That goes for right wing populism, but also left wing too -- a Hillary Clinton is too busy feeling poor compared to her hedge fund friends, to ever really fight for a living wage. That minimum wage should be double what it is, just to make up for 30+ years of inflation.

Would be good for the economy too. It's what is needed -- to get money into workers' hands, people that have jobs, it's better than just having a poor country or gov sending checks out. Have jobs pay a living wage again, for the working class.

They would go spend that money patronizing local businesses, and voila, you've got real economic recovery.

Democrats USE the issue, but never really do anything about it, now do they? It's the same as right wing elites that just use the immigration issue, but aren't really interested in fixing it.

Limousine liberals and Koch brothers, riding in the same limo, to the same opera, funded by the same hedge funds and billionaires. They have their world and we have our world, and they just use us for fights amongst themselves.

[PrestonSturges]

The big flood of Salvadoran refugees and others started in the 1980s because Reagan was financing the death squads. Many people ended up in the US, became gang members (because they were illegal), and went back to Central America to create regions controlled by gangs and their own death squads. This has created the current round of people fleeing to the US.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', ' ')the people of El Salvador/Honduras/Guatemala ... export their population to the US instead of addressing the country's problems. Our oligarchs also love this because it floods the labor market lowers wages.