[PrestonSturges]

Don't mess with Holly Hobby Lobby

[Timo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'D')on't mess with Holly Hobby Lobby

[Plantagenet]

That's easy.

One is an AK47 and the other is an AR15.

[PrestonSturges]

Actually they are both AR pattern rifles, and Jihad Jane's gun has the familiar M-16 carry handle.

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'R')epubs would be crazy to impeach Obama now

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'R')epubs would be crazy to impeach Obama now

[PrestonSturges]

The amazing "Hunter" responds to Palin

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')alin - So why has this issue been allowed to be turned upside down with our “leader” creating such unsafe conditions while at the same time obstructing any economic recovery by creating more dependents than he allows producers?

[Sixstrings]

Anyone know what's really going on? Is Obama really scaling back the border patrol?

All I see reporting on it is Breitbart etc, so I do not know if this is spin or if there is a real problem:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ORDER PATROL UNION OFFICIAL UNDER GAG ORDER, SAYS NO AGENTS SECURING BORDER

California Border Patrol union representative Ron Zermeno told ABC 10 San Diego that he has been placed under a gag order in an attempt to avoid negative news about the state of the southern border from getting out to the public. Zermeno said that the order was designed to prevent him from saying that no agents will be securing the southern border.

He said, “As long as they send the bodies up there [to Murietta] to be processed, there will be no agents patrolling and that's what the agency doesn't want me to say.”

The order also comes after agents spoke out about the spread of infectious diseases near the border, which, according to ABC 10, they argued the public deserved to know about because it was a danger “like a threat to national security.”
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/07/07/Border-Patrol-Union-Official-Under-Gag-Order-Says-No-Agents-Securing-Border

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')he amazing "Hunter" responds to Palin

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'A')nyone know what's really going on?

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'I')'m sure it will all come out during the impeachment proceedings. Mama Bear has issued her decree - Impeach or Perish ! Boehner must now drop his silly, wimpy lawsuit diversion and get on board. Impeach ! Impeach !

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')Dino, the border is serious, it's not all a joke -- you cannot just let anybody just come on over and no enforcement.

[Lore]

There's no blackout on the immigration crisis other then the House failing to act. It's front page news everyday. Obama has requested $4B to speed up processing. That's where it stands. By law he is required to follow the normal proceedings for adjudicating the status of the refugees. Unless Congress would like to change that law?

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'T') By law he is required to follow the normal proceedings for adjudicating the status of the refugees. Unless Congress would like to change that law?

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')
1. Actually, the law only applies to children who have been "trafficed" to the US, i.e. children brought here to be child labor or child prostitutes. The law in question doesn't apply to the current wave of illegal immigrants --- they could be deported tomorrow if obama would follow the law.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'T') By law he is required to follow the normal proceedings for adjudicating the status of the refugees. Unless Congress would like to change that law?

[PrestonSturges]

Nobody ever questions the role of conservative media in attracting these refugees.

The White House isn't promising people "amnesty" or tons of goodies.

It's conservatives who keep broadcasting claims that all they have to is walk across the border and they will be transported to Rock Candy Mountain with citizenship, health care, free education, and a lifetime of welfare benefits.

I mean seriously, isn't that what AM radio and Fox tells them every day around the clock? Where do you think they got that idea?

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'A')nd Sarah Palin is their prophet because the job was open, and the cash is good, and because it is a requirement of the movement that you dispense a soylent mush of symbols and shibboleths and angry exclamation points to your audience without ever saying anything that would be too specific, thus causing conflict, or too moderate, thus implying weakness, or giving a general flying damn about the law, or recent history, or what you said last week.

She is their prophet because she is perfect at this job. She represents the id that has overtaken the party and swallowed it up whole, the id that has given us the Scott Walkers and the Chris McDaniels and the All of Texas. She is the painted clown at the entrance to the great conservative roller coaster, the one that grins and points out a finger and says you must be no smarter than this to enter.

[Sixstrings]

Okay, I heard something on the mainstream teevee about it.

Apparently the UN is pressing the US gov to recognize these immigrants as "refugees."

So what the hell is going on in Mexico, why are more coming now? (if that's even true, I still haven't seen the numbers)

Is it cartel problems? What's going on in Mexico?

Anyhow -- "refugees," give me a break, there's no war in Mexico. We need to give these people a nice bagged lunch and put them on a bus back to Mexico.

If Mexico has some massive problem that it can't handle, then we've got to press Mexico to fix it or it's time to regime change Mexico.

You handle a refugee problem on your border by *solving the problem over on that other side of the border*, one way or another. Maybe Mexico needs a regime change. We already gave them NAFTA and raised them up economically. If all else fails, finally build that border wall.

I don't know if I'm flipping back to reactionary now or what, but, we don't do "refugees" here in the US -- if we start that up we'll have the whole South American continent migrating here.

Canadians and Europeans take in refugees, as a way to do something to help -- but US is the world superpower, we *solve* the problem. Someone has to. And if Mexico has a problem, it's on our border, we should be solving it.

I wonder if it's those darn cartels. That's about enough of that nonsense, they're already putting those "take the silver or lead" billboards up in American border towns.

There's probably something brewing here, and we need a strong President that would handle it -- not just "lawyers for refugees," you got to *handle the source* if it's on your border.

If the problem are the cartels, then I'm sure Mexico would let us come in Putin style and sort that out. That's a security problem for us. This cartel crap cannot cross over into our country, bottom line, and we should not allow ourselves to become a messed up Mexico banana republic, bottom line. I'm not talking about the skin color of our residents in the US, I'm talking how things work in Mexico, and we don't want that here. Bottom line.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')That is pretty funny, and some good writing.

What he's really talking about here, are just "reactionaries." The right wing base are reactionaries, it's the same darn thing you see with Russian politics that I've delved far too much into.

Same.
Damn.
Thing.
They even have "Glen Becks" and a whole lineup of "foxnews" channels pumped in by the State.

..... Because that's not the point -- the point, is, to just get people pulling a lever for "conservative" so that some business / oligarch interest, somewhere, can get what it wants and it's got nothing to do with "gay marriage" or "illegal immigration" or whatever the reactionary hotbutton issue supposedly is.

Meanwhile nobody ever does anything about the border problem, because these powers that be don't give a sh*t about it to start with. *They just stoke populism to use it to other ends*, same in Russia, same here, it's an old story.

And Democrats just want Latino votes. And so there may actually be a problem on the border, but nothing gets done.

(I'm leary of the elite pulling populist strings these days, but, if there really is a problem on the border then we just need some good government technocrats to be responsible and handle it -- enough of the dog and pony political show, where it's just about "impeach Obama" and nobody is even talking about the specifics or how to actually solve it)