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Re: Impeach Obama 2014

Postby toolpush » Fri 04 Jul 2014, 00:18:31

Outlook, Microsoft email program, when used on company servers, has a couple of levels of storage. The first is the network storage, inbox and folders. I have found large companies restrict this area for network/cost reasons. We were restricted to 160 meg at one place, I don't really under why but they do it. So to store extra emails you create a PST file. Now the PST can me located where ever you like. The normal business location is on MY Docs or a network drive, at least somewhere where IT do regular backups. BUT for Outlook, there is nothing stopping you creating your PST on a USB drive of any description. These PST files also have a limit, not sure of the number but it is considerably larger than main inbox. There is no limit to how many PST can be created and they just show up as folders below you main inbox.
I suspect our lady in question and maybe her superiors as well had a "private" PST either on a thumb drive or an external HDD for all her special emails, what ever that may be. Now under IRS rules is that allowed? It sounds like it is not, especially when it is very work related.
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Re: Impeach Obama 2014

Postby Sixstrings » Fri 04 Jul 2014, 07:05:33

So let's get back to Fast and Furious.

Why were liberals never outraged by that -- can y'all at least say it's wrong and pretty shady?

We're talking about our government selling guns and assault rifles to Mexican cartels. So that the we could then sit back and watch all the crimes happen, with those guns, the idea being then you can trace the guns.

But in the meantime the US gov has become a gun supplier to cartels. So wtf. It makes government directly, intentionally, complicit in the crime! "Here's a gun, now go do a crime so we can arrest you for using the gun we just gave you." Wtf.

Nobody else sees how messed up that was?

If government does anything, then gun buybacks are helpful to prevent crime, not SELLING guns.
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Re: Impeach Obama 2014

Postby Beery1 » Fri 04 Jul 2014, 09:17:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'S')o let's get back to Fast and Furious.

Why were liberals never outraged by that -- can y'all at least say it's wrong and pretty shady?

We're talking about our government selling guns and assault rifles to Mexican cartels.


Yeah, well, when the Republicans sold arms for hostages and funded contras in Nicaragua and the folks behind it got pardons, it kinda allowed folks in the political center and left to get jaded. Where was the Right's outrage when Republicans did that? AWOL, that's where.

Pot, meet Kettle. That's why.

And I'm not a liberal, but I'm guessing you think a liberal is anyone to the left of Pinochet, so I'm sure I'm in there somewhere.
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Re: Impeach Obama 2014

Postby Sixstrings » Fri 04 Jul 2014, 09:47:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Beery1', 'Y')eah, well, when the Republicans sold arms for hostages and funded contras in Nicaragua and the folks behind it got pardons, it kinda allowed folks in the political center and left to get jaded. Where was the Right's outrage when Republicans did that? AWOL, that's where.

Pot, meet Kettle. That's why.


And that's the problem with party loyalty and partisanship.

It's better, and more intellectually honest to just be independent and free to call it like you see it.

Fast and furious should have been a moral outrage, that's amoral selling guns to drug cartels -- hello? It's just an outrage.

We ain't talkin' Nicaragua. We're talking about across the border and the cartels bringing the guns US gov sold them to America and someone got shot over here with one of those guns.

And that's supposed to just be okay? Like "look they shot someone with one of these guns we've put out on the streets so now we can trace it and get a prosecution on the books."

It was just insane. Should be a concern to anybody, doesn't matter your party, when the police cross the line into ENCOURAGING crime so they can "fight it." It's like the prison industrial complex, when law enforcement becomes a BUSINESS needing new markets.

It's police excess, it's like when entrapment goes too far, and it's a very important principle here whether one is left or right.

Being objective, this was a regional ATF office, I don't know how far up the chain that decision was made on this program. But this is Obama's administration that's supposed to be handling the executive branch. Was it ever really looked into?

Because of hyper partisanship, Obama can never even admit to something patently very wrong done in his administration. And now, IRS emails and crashed computers and missing emails or whatever.

Democrats, and the Obama admin itself, excuse defensiveness (thin line there between that and coverup) because they feel under assault by the GOP all the time. But it's not leadership. The buck is supposed to "stop here."

I don't even know if fast and furious was ever gotten to the bottom of, was anyone reprimanded, and it wasn't criminal but whoever came up with that idea should have been fired. There needed to be consequences, and lessons learned, so it does not happen again.
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Re: Impeach Obama 2014

Postby Pops » Fri 04 Jul 2014, 10:05:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'I')t's better, and more intellectually honest to just be independent and free to call it like you see it.

No it isn't honest at all, it is the opposite.

Honesty is owning your bias and trying to compensate for the direction your knee instinctively jerks.

"Calling it like you see it" is exactly the opposite of "intellect" which implies weighing various facts and coming to an objective conclusion.

Imagining you are "independent" of the instinctual bias we all are subject too simply means you will follow your bias in a self-referential circle, always coming back the the point from which you started.

Kind of the definition of party politics.
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Re: Impeach Obama 2014

Postby vtsnowedin » Fri 04 Jul 2014, 11:10:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
')You are looking at a strange earring in your bed linens and believe your husband has no idea how it got there.


As I said, inuendo and conspiracy. My beef is not that some agency is incompetent, but the desperate attemp to stick this to the highest levels of government. Which is being conducted by many of the same people that let real past atrocities go unchallenged.

So, let's forget the phony incredulous search for the truth and call it like it is. A snipe hunt to obfuscate a do nothing Congress while attempting to pass the blame and discredit their opposition.

Enjoy your new ear rings. :mrgreen:
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Re: Impeach Obama 2014

Postby PrestonSturges » Fri 04 Jul 2014, 11:12:52

Regards impeachment and any of these "scandals," there needs to be a crime involving the president.

Nixon got impeached for a series of crimes. G. Gordon Liddy was sentenced to 20 years in prison. Oliver North was sentenced to three years in prison.

How many people have gone to prison under Obama? How many have been in indicted? :lol:
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Re: Impeach Obama 2014

Postby Plantagenet » Fri 04 Jul 2014, 11:20:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'N')ixon got impeached .....


Let's get the facts right. Nixon was never impeached. Clinton actually was impeached but the Senate voted to keep him in office.

And as for Obama, there are no impeachment proceedings pending. Obama isn't being impeached. There's some kind of mess at the IRS, but the stonewalling is working. It isn't even being investigated properly---there is no special prosecutor or FBI involvement.

You're all getting wee wee'd up over nothing. This topic isn't real. :roll:
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Re: Impeach Obama 2014

Postby Lore » Fri 04 Jul 2014, 11:30:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
')Enjoy your new ear rings. :mrgreen:


Poor analogy, since no ear rings were found. You're trying to equate physical evidence with a point of conjecture.
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Re: Impeach Obama 2014

Postby PrestonSturges » Fri 04 Jul 2014, 12:57:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'N')ixon got impeached .....


Let's get the facts right. Nixon was never impeached. Clinton actually was impeached but the Senate voted to keep him in office.

And as for Obama, there are no impeachment proceedings pending. Obama isn't being impeached. There's some kind of mess at the IRS, but the stonewalling is working. It isn't even being investigated properly---there is no special prosecutor or FBI involvement.

You're all getting wee wee'd up over nothing. This topic isn't real. :roll:


Well that's true, Nixon fled Washington to avoid being impeached. Actually, he probably would have sailed through impeachment just fine, so he was really probably afraid of criminal investigations where he would at a minimum be called on to testify.

Reagan had to testify about Iran-Contra soon after he left office, but it was obvious that he was too senile to provide credible testimony at the John Poindexter trial. I remember the commentators were just stunned, practically speechless at how disoriented Reagan was. In hindsight, it was clear that Reagan had probably been out to lunch with Alzheimers for most of his second term.

But yeah, John Poindexter, yet another White House criminal, a Republican selling arms to terrorists.
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Re: Impeach Obama 2014

Postby vtsnowedin » Fri 04 Jul 2014, 13:06:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
')Enjoy your new ear rings. :mrgreen:


Poor analogy, since no ear rings were found. You're trying to equate physical evidence with a point of conjecture.
The destruction of evidence as part of a coverup is in and of itself evidence.
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Re: Impeach Obama 2014

Postby Plantagenet » Fri 04 Jul 2014, 13:31:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', ' ')The destruction of evidence as part of a coverup is in and of itself evidence.


True. And Lois Lerner taking the 5th certainly raises questions as well.

But so far the stonewalling and destruction of the email hard disks has succeeded in covering up whatever it was that was going on. Unless a special investigator gets appointed, with suppoena power and FBI assistance, this isn't going anywhere. And with Eric Holder running the justice department, that isn't going to happen.

Sometimes the coverup works. :roll:
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Re: Impeach Obama 2014

Postby vtsnowedin » Fri 04 Jul 2014, 13:38:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', ' ') And with Eric Holder running the justice department, that isn't going to happen.

Sometimes the coverup works. :roll:

Correct but Eric Holder will only be in office for 930 more days. We just need to be patient.
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Re: Impeach Obama 2014

Postby Lore » Fri 04 Jul 2014, 13:58:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
')Enjoy your new ear rings. :mrgreen:


Poor analogy, since no ear rings were found. You're trying to equate physical evidence with a point of conjecture.
The destruction of evidence as part of a coverup is in and of itself evidence.


That's the problem isn't it? Your logic doesn't follow. You first need evidence as to the proof of a coverup. An assumption of a coverup is not admissible, it's just conjecture. All I'm aware of at this point is that they are guilty of incompetence.

I could just as easily assume that there is a coverup because exposing the emails would unearth other details of IRS acts not connected to the issue. Who could say I was right or wrong about that? I have no evidence of proof, it's just idle speculation.
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Re: Impeach Obama 2014

Postby vtsnowedin » Fri 04 Jul 2014, 14:40:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
')Enjoy your new ear rings. :mrgreen:


Poor analogy, since no ear rings were found. You're trying to equate physical evidence with a point of conjecture.
The destruction of evidence as part of a coverup is in and of itself evidence.


That's the problem isn't it? Your logic doesn't follow. You first need evidence as to the proof of a coverup. An assumption of a coverup is not admissible, it's just conjecture. All I'm aware of at this point is that they are guilty of incompetence.

I could just as easily assume that there is a coverup because exposing the emails would unearth other details of IRS acts not connected to the issue. Who could say I was right or wrong about that? I have no evidence of proof, it's just idle speculation.

Now you are just being stubborn. You have the groups that were being unfairly scrutinized complaining of their treatment, and rightfully so and when an investigation is begun to determine the facts of the matter a principle manager pleads the fifth to protect herself indicating that there is at least something she needs to protect herself from or someone else she wants to provide cover for. Then you have the all too convenient loss of E-mails and other documentation that could clear up the matter one way or the other. Just a coincidence in your mind?
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Re: Impeach Obama 2014

Postby PrestonSturges » Fri 04 Jul 2014, 15:03:58

People fall back on "The coverup is worse than the crime" when they can't decide what the "crime" is.

And "destruction of evidence" applies when there is a crime or civil suit.

Also "obstruction of justice" only applies to actual investigations by actual investigators who are investigating actual crimes, not people batting conspiracy theories.

It looks like maybe we've moved past Benghazi because nobody could ever say what the "scandal" was.

I think all this stuff just appeals to the Birthers. Probably most of the people who want impeachment have always wanted impeachment because "Obama isn't really the president."
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Re: Impeach Obama 2014

Postby Lore » Fri 04 Jul 2014, 17:53:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
')Now you are just being stubborn. You have the groups that were being unfairly scrutinized complaining of their treatment, and rightfully so and when an investigation is begun to determine the facts of the matter a principle manager pleads the fifth to protect herself indicating that there is at least something she needs to protect herself from or someone else she wants to provide cover for. Then you have the all too convenient loss of E-mails and other documentation that could clear up the matter one way or the other. Just a coincidence in your mind?
I suggest you get the matching necklace for those ear-rings. You've earned it.


Using the fifth is not an admission of guilt. The emails are easy enough to find a timeline on of being deleted and you'd think, if your the skeptical type, someone out of the many people who had access to that server would have blown a whistle by now.

So, comeback when you have some real admissible evidence and you can give me your charm bracelet too!
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Re: Impeach Obama 2014

Postby vtsnowedin » Fri 04 Jul 2014, 19:20:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'P')eople fall back on "The coverup is worse than the crime" when they can't decide what the "crime" is.

And "destruction of evidence" applies when there is a crime or civil suit.

Also "obstruction of justice" only applies to actual investigations by actual investigators who are investigating actual crimes, not people batting conspiracy theories.

It looks like maybe we've moved past Benghazi because nobody could ever say what the "scandal" was.

I think all this stuff just appeals to the Birthers. Probably most of the people who want impeachment have always wanted impeachment because "Obama isn't really the president."

Please don't lump me in with the "birthers. Barack Obama's mother was an American citizen born in Kansas. She could have given birth to him in Timbuktu on the back of a camel and he would have still met the qualifications to be POTUS.
My complaint is in the incompetence of his administration and its willingness to abuse the powers of office.
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Re: Impeach Obama 2014

Postby Lore » Fri 04 Jul 2014, 19:48:43

Can you name a specific abuse of executive orders that would warrant an impeachment, or even a suit? If so, please call John Boehner, he'd like to know too!
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Re: Impeach Obama 2014

Postby vtsnowedin » Fri 04 Jul 2014, 19:55:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'C')an you name a specific abuse of executive orders that would warrant an impeachment, or even a suit? If so, please call John Boehner, he'd like to know too!
First thing that comes to mind are the "recess appointments" that SCOTUS threw out this week.
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