[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'C')an you name a specific abuse of executive orders that would warrant an impeachment, or even a suit? If so, please call John Boehner, he'd like to know too!

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'C')an you name a specific abuse of executive orders that would warrant an impeachment, or even a suit? If so, please call John Boehner, he'd like to know too!

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'P')eople fall back on "The coverup is worse than the crime" when they can't decide what the "crime" is.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'C')an you name a specific abuse of executive orders that would warrant an impeachment, or even a suit? If so, please call John Boehner, he'd like to know too!

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'C')an you name a specific abuse of executive orders that would warrant an impeachment, or even a suit? If so, please call John Boehner, he'd like to know too!

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'P')eople fall back on "The coverup is worse than the crime" when they can't decide what the "crime" is.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')he law has not actually been enforced for about 25 years. The law says NO political activity but the IRS has not been enforcing it. Again, they did not commit a crime by picking on right wing political group - according to the law as it's written, those groups are completely illegal.

[Sixstrings]

Obama gave a speech and said, "I only act with executive orders when we have a serious problem that Congress refuses to address."

But that's not what the Constitution says. President has his powers laid out in Article II, there's nothing in there about him taking the legislative powers laid out in another article, nor can he assume the judicial branch powers.

FDR got in some trouble with this during his presidency and started getting called a "dictator" and then the challenges went to the SCOTUS, and then FDR threatened to pack the court with more justices. There was a Great Depression going on so you can be more sympathetic to that kind of real national emergency.

We don't have that right now. The "Dream Act" and illegal immigrant amnesty is not a national emergency.

So anyway it'll be up to SCOTUS. The court approved most of what FDR wanted to do, but also reigned him in, and he listened in the end. We'll see what happens here.

What I'm actually concerned about is that this current SCOTUS would rule in favor of a more imperial presidency, and that's not good, that's heading us down the road to dictatorship.

That's what happened in Ukraine -- Yanu started assuming powers from the legislature, and became a dictator.

If SCOTUS winds up in cahoots with the executive branch to usher in a new imperial presidency, *then that is when impeachment is on the table*. That is Congress's ultimate check on the other two branches. The Senate is Democratic controlled so of course there couldn't be a conviction -- but real genuine threats of articles of impeachment coming out of the House could reign the Obama admin in. Along with a compromise on the immigration problem with House republicans offering something, then that's a happy ending with our system and checks and balances working again.

It's that or we drift to imperial presidency, and all branches fail our Constitution.

Luckily one thing that can't be changed over here -- the actual words in our Constitution. In Russia or Ukraine and other places, the legislature just passes a darn bill and voila constitution is changed. Over here it takes a super majority then ratification in the states.

So.. even if we wind up with an imperial presidency.. at least there's that 2 term limit, in the Constitution.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'T')he new, disappointing fact is the country is beginning to see the supreme court as partisan as the other branches. Gallup says the Supreme Court as an institution now gets 30% approval, one point above "The Presidency." 15 years ago they got a 50, not great but better than any time since they installed BushCo.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'T')he new, disappointing fact is the country is beginning to see the supreme court as partisan

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')he law has not actually been enforced for about 25 years. The law says NO political activity but the IRS has not been enforcing it. Again, they did not commit a crime by picking on right wing political group - according to the law as it's written, those groups are completely illegal.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'I')'d like to see Obama order the IRS to enforce the law and then tell congress to pass some reforms. Of course, Congress never shows up for work and no longer knows how to pass laws, so that would raise the bar pretty high.

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', ''')ve always thought the idea of a 'tax-exempt' organization in general is dumb. Its not like you tax revenue.. you tax income. Which is (revenue - expenses); should a properly functioning PAC, church, or charity even have a significant (revenue - expense), especially once its got a few years under its belt and is carrying forward any previous years loss.

So Bob PAC looks like:
+500 in receipts
- 50 in mail solicitation
- 50 in office expense / phones
-100 in payroll
-300 in delivered product, aka, PAC'ing. (basically cost of goods sold)
-------
0 income.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'A')re you sure about this formulation ? I'm on the board of a couple 501c6 orgs that are community service and we have 0 balance sheets on most of them but we pay taxes. I think Revenue-Expenses is profit. Taxes aren't my thing though. I probably pay more than I should.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '
')
I've always thought the idea of a 'tax-exempt' organization in general is dumb. Its not like you tax revenue.. you tax income. Which is (revenue - expenses); should a properly functioning PAC, church, or charity even have a significant (revenue - expense), especially once its got a few years under its belt and is carrying forward any previous years loss.

So Bob PAC looks like:
+500 in receipts
- 50 in mail solicitation
- 50 in office expense / phones
-100 in payroll
-300 in delivered product, aka, PAC'ing. (basically cost of goods sold)
-------
0 income.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'R')omney actually thought he was winning ...

[PrestonSturges]

Romney was the best candidate the GOP could come up with in two election cycles and he lost by 6%. Nobody dreamed Romney could do that badly, nobody believed he could be that incompetent at managing. And if race had not been a factor, Romney would have lost by 10% or more.

Obviously the media keep building up Romney to keep the race alive, much like they built up McCain to make him look like a viable candidate. But outside the beltway, people clearly thought Romney was a little shit-weasel.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'C')an you name a specific abuse of executive orders that would warrant an impeachment, or even a suit? If so, please call John Boehner, he'd like to know too!

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'C')an you name a specific abuse of executive orders that would warrant an impeachment, or even a suit? If so, please call John Boehner, he'd like to know too!

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'P')ops, its been partisan since before I was born. Probably since FDR's term.