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Re: IEA 2012 : world record highest annual oil production

Unread postby ralfy » Sun 10 Feb 2013, 13:56:12

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Re: IEA 2012 : world record highest annual oil production

Unread postby Xyricolev » Sun 10 Feb 2013, 14:38:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xyricolev', 'Y')eah...funny thing about that. Today's price of a barrel of oil: $95.72.

The claim made was that the price is at an all time high.

Except that it's been higher in the past.

By definition then, today's price can't be an all time high, right? (unless you know of some other definition of that term?).

So much for my being a liar.
You are a liar, or are just plain dumb to make those claims. I would have been a complete idiot to claim $95.72 was an all-time high oil price. I showed you a chart (something any child should grasp) to make a simple point; that Inflation-adjusted oil prices hit, and remain, at all time high records.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xyricolev', 'A')s to the other...fraking tech has been around for decades. So have your other two examples where you supposedly "proved me wrong." So since all three have "been around for decades" obviously you can magically call one a new game changer, and dismiss the other two, right?

And THIS is your idea of "debunking me?"
I said the high price of conventional oil is the game changer. The high price of conventional oil, not some magical technological improvement, was the primary reason that we have resorted to playing in old tight-shale fields.

You claimed other recent fracking" components" made have made the business profitable. I asked what those new technologies are? You still have not answered me. You are a phony and don't really know anything about oil production. It appears you believe progress (not desperation) accounts for our interest in unconventional liquids, yet are incapable of elucidating said technological improvement. I showed you are wrong. You are a wuss.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xyricolev', 'L')OL...wow...you've really been hitting the sauce eh? What...when the doomathon didn't happen on the re-re-re-(etc) revised schedule, I guess it kinda got to you, eh?

And even discounting all that, the fact still remains that oil production broke (another) new record, here 5+ into our supposed post peak nightmare.

Now...are you gonna answer my questions, or do you prefer just making yourself look stupid by saying things that can be disproved in less than thirty seconds with any search engine? :)
I'll answer your questions, when you ask one of me. You haven't yet---rather you scatter shot insulting rhetorical questions to an imaginary audience. Ask ME question. Or are you here just to insult people?

It seems you don't understand the predicament that seven billion (and growing) humans have brought to the planet and our own species. Only a creationist republican tea-bagger does not see what our demands on the planet have wrought Man up and take responsibility. It is not just oil, dipsh#t. Lots of crucial natural capital is in decline--fisheries, good timber for building homes, phosphorus, lead, copper, rare-earth metals, other species. You name it; technological fairy dust is coming up short.

Your short stay here has been characterized a childish attention-starved display of ignorance. Get it together little boy and find something interesting or mommy is going to take away you tricycle. And then no more playground.


Okayf Pstarr...look fella, I can't really help it if you're an idiot of the first order, but I'll step thru the progression for you.

I was not talking to you initially, but to a poster named dorlomin (see above discussion thread).

She made the claim in response to my posted link with yesterday's oil price that it was (her words)

Record high price.

I responded that given higher prices in the past, it was simply rediculous and illogical to call yesterday's price "a record high."

That's when YOU jumped in with your spiffy graph, which only served to reinforce what I was saying....so please, do tell! How does that make me a liar?

I get that you're an angry little man.

I get that you're quick to jump toward the throat of anyone who disagrees with you and brand them a liar...except that anybody with third grade reading comprehension skills can go back and look at the thread and see you're just blowing smoke up your own arse.

If that's your idea of fun...have at it, but stop wasting my time, okay?

Also in response to that discussion with dorlomin that did not involve you in any way, she mentioned that frakking tech was decades old, and it was this new higher price of oil (the record high) that made frakking suddenly profitable.

Except that the price ISN'T a record high, which makes the argument a little silly (it's been higher before, and frakiing only just became profitable).

Then YOU jumped in with some additional decades old tech, claiming that frakking (decades old) was the new game changer, while the other two you mentioned (also decades old) could be dismissed as nothing new.

You're not even being COHERENT, Pstarr. Letting that anger get the better of you I reckon. :( I feel bad, but seriously, if you're going to insist on shooting yourself in the foot, I'll be more than happy to watch you do it.

That also hasn't changed since my last stint here...all that rage and frustration....all the years of practice and you're no better than you were back then? That's so sad!

In any case, by all means, please continue! It's been most amusing to watch you chase your tail!

By the way...you DO realize that NONE of this in any way counters the fact that we're breaking new production records in what's supposed to be ~5 years into our post peak nightmare, right?

Next time you leap to the attack and call someone a liar, you might want to employ just a smidge of reading comprehension, McGenius. This, however, is merely a suggestion. Honestly, it's more entertaining when you don't, so suit yourself!


edit: oh...and as to my questions...again, reading comp. I've asked you two (twice). I'll ask them again. To you specifically.

Here they are:

And what's the latest re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re revised date for "teh end of dayz?" Do tell!

And a bonus question if you're feeling especially brave. Given that exactly NONE of Team Doom's predictions have come to pass, even with multiple revisions on the doom date...how is it that you're still utterly convinced it'll be any day now that the "cornies" will be the ones with egg on their faces?
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Re: IEA 2012 : world record highest annual oil production

Unread postby Xyricolev » Sun 10 Feb 2013, 14:56:54

code for: oops...I messed up...I realize it now, and I'm backpeddaling as fast as I can.

Nice one! :)
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Re: IEA 2012 : world record highest annual oil production

Unread postby Xyricolev » Sun 10 Feb 2013, 15:28:20

'k...any time you wanna continue, I'll be here...only next time, you might wanna bring your reading comprehension with you..

in the meantime tho...run away to save face. I understand.
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Re: IEA 2012 : world record highest annual oil production

Unread postby dorlomin » Sun 10 Feb 2013, 15:38:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xyricolev', '
')She made the claim in response to my posted link with yesterday's oil price that it was (her words)
You lying liar. Lying lying lying.

The point we were dicussing is why fracking could happen now. The record high prices have been over the past few years as the graph so clearly shows. These high prices are what makes fracking possible.

Lying liar trolling for cheap points.

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Record high price.

I responded that given higher prices in the past, it was simply rediculous and illogical to call yesterday's price "a record high."

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat's when YOU jumped in with your spiffy graph
That proves me right. $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow does that make me a liar?
By lying and claimaing anyone said yesterday was a record.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')but stop wasting my time, okay?
No one asked you to be here. You are free to leave.

Also in response to that discussion with $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'd')orlomin that did not involve you in any way, she mentioned that frakking tech was decades old, and it was this new higher price of oil (the record high) that made frakking suddenly profitable.So why was fracking of tight shales not profitable in 2004?

And 'she', you dimwit. Who is a she?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat also hasn't changed since my last stint hereWhat user name did you post under, or are you too much of a coward to let us see your last efforts?
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Re: IEA 2012 : world record highest annual oil production

Unread postby Xyricolev » Sun 10 Feb 2013, 15:52:08

Sorry...I took you literally as you took me literally yesterday. Your ENTIRE response was "record high price."

Nothing about "in recent years"

Nothing about the overall average...nothing of the sort.

"Record High Price" (and in fact, you were upset with me for posting my link because it ONLY contained yesterday's price (which is what you actually replied to with "record high price."

That's not a lie...that's reading what you wrote. Isn't it?
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Re: IEA 2012 : world record highest annual oil production

Unread postby Xyricolev » Sun 10 Feb 2013, 15:53:32

Of course, even if you consider recent averages, we've still been in this territory before...
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Re: IEA 2012 : world record highest annual oil production

Unread postby dorlomin » Sun 10 Feb 2013, 15:59:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xyricolev', 'S')orry...I took you literally as you took me literally yesterday.
You did not.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')our ENTIRE response was "record high price."
And from this you are trying to score a cheap point. All those words, all that writing and here you are in a tangle trying to prove your point. Weak troll is weak.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')othing about the overall average...nothing of the sort.
Except for the fact we were tallking about why we could frack now. Funny that. Deary me. $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '(')and in fact, you were upset with me
Upset? You are projecting.

[/quote]That's not a lie[/quote]You have made such a fuss over such a minor point, so weak. I thought you were winning this with blazing trails of glory. Why such a fuss over deliberately misrepresenting what was said?

What was your name last time you posted.
Are you afraid of us reading what you wrote?
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Re: IEA 2012 : world record highest annual oil production

Unread postby Xyricolev » Sun 10 Feb 2013, 16:05:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xyricolev', '
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So why was fracking of tight shales not profitable in 2004?



We've had patents on the tech since 1947...it would appear that the better question was...since this isn't the first time the average price has been here...why wasn't frakking profitable in the seventies? We've known where the major formations were for decades....we've had the basic tech for decades, but it's only been in the last handful of years that it's become profitable.

Sure, rising price is a part of that picture, but why is it unthinkable to say that it's the only factor? That the tech, like every other tech we've ever invented, has undergone incremental improvements since first being developed (computers have been around for decades too, but today's computers are markedly improved over the ones Steve Jobs made in the seventies).

This isn't rocket science, and it's not radical, right? Price plays a role. Continuing improvement plays a role.

So?

Of course, if you just WANT to fight cos I'm a stupid "cornie" who doesn't understand the dark glory of the coming doomination, I guess that's cool too. As you prefer. :)
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Re: IEA 2012 : world record highest annual oil production

Unread postby Xyricolev » Sun 10 Feb 2013, 16:08:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xyricolev', 'S')orry...I took you literally as you took me literally yesterday.
You did not.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')our ENTIRE response was "record high price."
And from this you are trying to score a cheap point. All those words, all that writing and here you are in a tangle trying to prove your point. Weak troll is weak.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')othing about the overall average...nothing of the sort.
Except for the fact we were tallking about why we could frack now. Funny that. Deary me. $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '(')and in fact, you were upset with me
Upset? You are projecting.

That's not a lie[/quote]You have made such a fuss over such a minor point, so weak. I thought you were winning this with blazing trails of glory. Why such a fuss over deliberately misrepresenting what was said?

What was your name last time you posted.
Are you afraid of us reading what you wrote?[/quote]

Uhhh, yeah, I did (take you literally). All you wrote was "record high price" in response to my link.

Maybe you've gone back and edited it since then, but I'm not the one raising a fuss over it.

I thought it was fairly obvious and stated it as such. Then Pstarr shows up and calls me a liar about it...I had no intention of bringing it up again, but you guys sure seem to be obsessing over it. Prolly cos you don't wanna face up to the record breaking production numbers that this thread is all about, and as such, are desperate for ANY little point to steer away from that.

So far, great job on that! Kudos!

New production record still set though, five years or more into the post peak apocalypse. :) D'oh!
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Re: IEA 2012 : world record highest annual oil production

Unread postby dorlomin » Sun 10 Feb 2013, 16:14:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xyricolev', 'w')hy wasn't frakking profitable in the seventies?
Who said it wasnt.

I didnt.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')e've had the basic tech for decades,
At the same time drilling rigs were being used on much more profitable wells.

The point is this is the most profitable location for those resoruces to be allocated. In the 70s there were many other more profitable places to drill.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his isn't rocket science,
So why do you get it wrong. Why do you think that there was nowhere more profitable to drill for oil in the world than tight shale formations?


What was the username you used when you were here before?
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Re: IEA 2012 : world record highest annual oil production

Unread postby dorlomin » Sun 10 Feb 2013, 16:17:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')aybe you've gone back and edited it since then,
I have not. $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'b')ut I'm not the one raising a fuss over it.
You are. You still are. Will you still be in your next post, then claim you are not making a fuss?

What was the username you previously logged in as? Can we have a look at your previous posts?
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Re: IEA 2012 : world record highest annual oil production

Unread postby Xyricolev » Sun 10 Feb 2013, 17:21:34

No dorlomin...I'm not the one who keeps bringing it up, but when you geniuses mention it, I do respond to it. Shocking, I know. Actually engaging you on the issues you bring up. Wow, right? (tho if it makes you feel better to have the last word on it, I'll not mention it further, 'k? All better then? You get to end by calling me a liar for taking you at what you literally wrote. We good? :)

Pstarr: thanks for the refreshing bout of honesty re: your just wanting to fight for the sake of fighting. I know that must have been tough for you, but kudos for turning over a new leaf.

Talking to you guys is actually even worse than arguing with a rock. You've already got your minds made up...already know where you want to end up (the end is nigh!) and you will demonize and villify ANYONE who deviates from the mythology.

I understand.

In that respect, things haven't changed at all since I was here last (and as to my username...it's pretty easy to figure that one out....i'm surprised that a couple geniuses like you two haven't done so already...the answer is contained in my current username tho).

re: incremental improvements in tech: Pstarr - can you give me even a single example of tech that has been invented and never seen any subsequent incremental improvement? Even SHOES have seen such improvement...but hey! If you'd like to pretend that it's all price...knock yourself out. It seems fairly obvious that there's room for more than one factor, but then, I'm not a member of a cult that can only see the world in black and white...maybe not so obvious for you guys.

That's unfortunate, but...you make your own choices I guess.

Going to have dinner with the family. Looking forward to reading the latest hysterics on my return. I hope you don't disappoint! You guys rock! :)
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Re: IEA 2012 : world record highest annual oil production

Unread postby dorlomin » Sun 10 Feb 2013, 17:39:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xyricolev', 'N')o dorlomin...I'm not the one who keeps bringing it up,
And again.... $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')hat you literally wrote.
Literally? Nope. Wrong gain. You admitted you changed what was written.$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e good? :)
Ofcourse not. You will be back to raise the issue again and then claim its everyone else making you talk about it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')your just wanting to fight for the sake of fighting.
You claimed you are only here to mock. Now you whine you are not taken seriously.

What was your previous log in name.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')You've already got your minds made upUnlike you then
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')ho deviates from the mythology.Irony not your strong point.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m not a member of a cult that can only see the world in black and whiteYou claimed there were only 'doomers' and 'cornies', so you have realised there is a broader spectrum? Its not radical after all :mrgreen:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'r')eading the latest hysterics Again, this tells us more about your mind than other peoples posts. Everything you read that does not agree with you is 'hysterics'.

on my return. I hope you don't disappoint! You guys rock! :)/quote]
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Re: IEA 2012 : world record highest annual oil production

Unread postby Buddy_J » Sun 10 Feb 2013, 17:41:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', '&')quot;Joined: Sat Feb 09, 2013"

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It's not that Xyricolev is a newbie. His problem is he's going to be an oldie real soon. Oldie . . . as in gone.


While I should perhaps not say anything (for fear of it happening to me), why are newcomers so feared? Or is it that someone who doesn't quite buy into the group paradigm has the option of complying with it or being faced with an involuntary exit?

And why are you so rude in the process?
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