[Buddy_J]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xyricolev', '
')Talking to you guys is actually even worse than arguing with a rock. You've already got your minds made up...already know where you want to end up (the end is nigh!) and you will demonize and villify ANYONE who deviates from the mythology.

I understand.

[Xyricolev]

no worries, buddy. i'm used to it. things haven't changed from 2005-2008. No biggie. as to why i'm here...i wasn't for a long time. i came back mostly out of curiosity.

last time i was here, the narrative was that any day now (a matter of weeks, at best) the world as we knew it was coming to an end. mass die offs, oil production falling off a cliff...apocalypse.

the end of days, and certainly the end of the world as we know it (this was 2005).

every time the price of oil increased (even by so much as a dime per barrel) it was seen as the beginning of the end, with all the requisite hysterics that you'd expect to come with that.

By 2008, when the world hadn't ended yet, a new narrative was created. Another of Simmon's deadlines had come and gone (the fourth? fifth? one I'd seen him give? I honestly don't remember now)...so the new narrative was to pretend that PO had happened, even to there was no real evidence to support that, and the big rage of the moment was for everybody to "update their lexicon" to reflect the new post peak reality.

That's when I'd had my fill, and decided to skip out (so I got myself banned...lol)

Years passed.

Life went on.

The world did not, in fact end.

And...eventually I got curious.

If I returned...what would I find?

Would the "PO happened, let's adjust our lexicon" game still be ongoing? would there be a new round of hysterics? Would they still be insisting that any day now, the "cornies" would finally be proved wrong?

It was like peeling a scab back. You know you should just leave it alone, but...sometimes you just can't.

So I headed back.

Amazingly, nothing has changed.

Any day now, the "cornies" will finally have egg on their face.

I don't know yet if we're still "post peak" but it looks like that game has fizzled.

The server's still up, we produced more oil last year than we ever have, and the zombie hordes are nowhere to be seen, but of course....you know...ANY day now.

Seriously.

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xyricolev', ' ')(so I got myself banned...lol)

[Xyricolev]

Yep...bingo indeed. I didn't trust myself not to come back to continue to watch the train wreck unfold, so I took care of it. Bingo!

[Xyricolev]

No...I intentionally acted out till I got banned when I knew I would be leaving, Ace. Anyway, dinner's ready. Will look for your next gem later!

[Xyricolev]

right...cos you know...I was the first one out the gate with the whole "liar" thing. nice try, pstarr.

[Buddy_J]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xyricolev', 'n')o worries, buddy. i'm used to it. things haven't changed from 2005-2008. No biggie. as to why i'm here...i wasn't for a long time. i came back mostly out of curiosity.

[Xyricolev]

LOL @ Pstarr...methinks you're projecting again. That's really all I can say to you. Next time you decide to leap into the midst of a conversation, read for context. It'll prolly help.

@ Buddy: that's certainly one interpretation, except that 2010, 2011 and 2012 all broke consecutive oil production records, which shouldn't be possible under PO mythology. So PO happened, except it didn't. And the apocalypse was magically diverted by a miraculous attitude change that saved the planet when nothing could.

It sounds nice, except that it's...you know...nuts.

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xyricolev', '
')
@ Buddy: that's certainly one interpretation, except that 2010, 2011 and 2012 all broke consecutive oil production records, which shouldn't be possible under PO mythology. So PO happened, except it didn't. And the apocalypse was magically diverted by a miraculous attitude change that saved the planet when nothing could.

It sounds nice, except that it's...you know...nuts.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xyricolev', ' ')2010, 2011 and 2012 all broke consecutive oil production records, which shouldn't be possible under PO mythology. So PO happened, except it didn't.

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I')t's not that Xyricolev is a newbie. His problem is he's going to be an oldie real soon. Oldie . . . as in gone.

These children bring nothing to the discussion except insult. They know little about the industry. His new buddy meemie buys what the clueless media and its automobile/oil advertisers want them to believe. So they rely on rhetorical flourish rather than fact. We counter with fact. Those kind always get plenty exhausted real fast.

[meemoe_uk]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou must've missed the announcement that the IEA was changing their definition of oil to include Palm Oil, biofuels from corn and Sugarcane, and natural gas liquids in addition to petroleum.

[Tanada]

Before boasting about evading a permanent ban on membership new posters should read the COC.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')3.1.11 Moderator evasion: Attempts to evade moderators, including deceptive alternative login IDs, change of moderator edited content, or other behavior that seeks to circumvent moderation. Moderator evasion is regarded as a serious and intentional violation of the COC.

4.1.6 Permanent Ban: Member posting privileges are suspended permanently due to a serious, clear-cut and substantial violation of the COC or TOS.

[Xyricolev]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xyricolev', ' ')2010, 2011 and 2012 all broke consecutive oil production records, which shouldn't be possible under PO mythology. So PO happened, except it didn't.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'Y')ou must've missed the announcement that the IEA was changing their definition of oil to include Palm Oil, biofuels from corn and Sugarcane, and natural gas liquids in addition to petroleum. Yes, oil production continues up, but only because the IEA now includes flammable liquids from non-petroleum sources in its definition of "oil"----


The IEA now admits conventional petroleum production has peaked and faces steep declines, requiring ever increasing contributions from other kinds of flammable liquids.