[Xyricolev]

I especially like quotes like this one (taken from this thread)

Why on earth would any non-shill be interested in posting 1000 posts on a website discussing something in which he does not believe? Why would a creationist post 1000 times on an evolution forum?

When you can't really argue the point at hand, the first line of defense is to try and change the subject, right?

Speaking just for myself...I've been peeking in now and again for going on eight years...it's like watching a train wreck in slow motion...you can't help it. You know you shouldn't look but...you do. I've also been curious to see how long the hysterics would last...would it just peter out after a while with all the doomers collapsing in exhausted heaps, or would each failed prediction only renew the frenzy and the absolute faith that "next time" would be the real deal. (it seems I have my answer..."B" it is!).

But...I do come here for a practical reason too. Even though I don't buy into the hype and hysteria, there are people here who have skills and info I need (they acquired it from building their doomsteads against the zombie hordes that should be coming any day now...I'm more into hippie sustainability, but...either way, I can glean the occasional useful bit from people who talk about the specific features of their doomalicious homesteads).

Here's the second line of defense when faced with something that doesn't agree with the mythology you cherish:

When confronted by record high production, change the subject like this:

So OP, how do you explain gasoline prices being at their highest level ever for February?

The topic at hand was PRODUCTION....not price. Prices rise over time (inflation). No great mystery, and has nothing to do with the fact that PRODUCTION broke (another) new record.

Same with this:

What do you have to say about Saudi Arabia's declining production over the last few months?

Third line of defense...when your favorite myth gets shattered by the aggregate totals...look at a slice of the picture...find some corner of the pie that supports the myth (production in Saudi declined last quarter...the end is nigh!) and obsess about THAT, so you don't have to look at the total.

Good stuff.

Predicable...ongoing now for most of the decades I've been watching, but...good stuff.

Classics never die I guess, right guys?

-=Xyr=-

[Beery1]

I'm guessing the sudden resurgence of a whole bunch of cornies here means that the fat lady is about to make her entrance. The desperation that resulted in proclaiming the US to be the new Saudi Arabia is also resulting in a miasma of cornucopian smug.

I give it until the end of 2015, tops, before they are forced to change their tune, pretend they were never really cornucopians, or just ignominiously skulk off the stage. In the meantime, let's bask in the heady fantasy that the US is at the forefront of an oil renaissance. When the time comes, all these posts should be good for a laugh.

[Xyricolev]

that's what you got out of it, is it, B?

Not that despite literally DECADES of predicting the imminent "end of dayz!" oil production is STILL breaking all time records.

Not that new fields are being found all the time, and new techonologies are allowing us to drill deeper and extract more.

Not that other technologies are allowing new TYPES of production (fraking) to occur profitably, further extending the timeline.

Not that alt energy continues to break new ground.

No....it has to be that the fat lady is about to sing. That the end of dayz are finally here! (as evidenced by the return of the 'cornies').

Couldn't POSSIBLY be that we drop by semi randomly to throw virtual rocks at you guys, and have a good natured chuckle at the ongoing hysterics, right?

Nahhh.

LOL

-=Xyr=-

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xyricolev', '
')Not that other technologies are allowing new TYPES of production (fraking) to occur profitably,

[Xyricolev]

Actually, it's a bit of both...the PRICE of oil has been here (and higher) before, but if the tech isn't ready for prime time yet, that won't (and didn't) matter.

And even if it HAD mattered, your argument doesn't help your case (I'm assuming you're wearing a cheerleader's outfit for Team Doom)....the fact remains...all of the above is HAPPENING.

The long awaited zombie apocalypse...isn't.

So I agree...one of us isn't too bright, sunshine.

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xyricolev', ' ')(I'm assuming you're wearing a cheerleader's outfit for Team Doom

[Xyricolev]

Ahhhh, I see...play the literalist game to try and change the subject.

For clarity then...no, I didn't mean you were literally sitting at your computer in a cheerleading outfit, and even if you were, I don't care either way. Got it now?

Yes! The concept of fraking has been around for decades.

Yes, price is one of the components that make it profitable now, where it wasn't before, but it's not the only factor here, and I'm pretty sure you know that, but are being obtuse to distract from the FACT that it (and a whole lot of other cool stuff) is actually happening right now, and the zombie apocalypse is not....which is rather the point, right?

Of course, I understand why you don't want to admit that....can't go demolishing those cherished myths and fevered dreams, right?

[Xyricolev]

I admit tho...I'm curious how/why you think that your "price only" argument helps your case?

Clearly, if we're breaking new production records and we're not facing massive die-offs, and zombies aren't roaming the streets, then despite the fact that we're supposed to be (at least) five years into our post peak nightmare...things aren't really working out as anticipated by the doomerlicious crowd.

So...what do you tell yourself at night when you lie awake, fantasizing about the "coming" end of dayz?

Why do you think it isn't happening according to the re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re revised schedule?

Or....is it and the MSM conspiracy is just duping the sheeple?

** I'm fairly sure I left off at least a few "re's" ....you know...in case you were inclined to take me literally again.

[Beery1]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xyricolev', '.')..all of the above is HAPPENING.

The long awaited zombie apocalypse...isn't.

[Xyricolev]

How can it be a straw man when you guys self identify as "Doomers"? (Doomers and Cornies, remember?)

Is there some new-and-top secret definition for that word that I didn't get the memo on? If so...please share!

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xyricolev', 'A')hhhh, I see...play the literalist game

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xyricolev', ' ')(Doomers and Cornies, remember?)

[Xyricolev]

http://www.oil-price.net/

Sorry...not record high...in fact, in inflation adjusted dollars, fairly LOW compared to what it has been.

Don't you HATE it when reality gets in the way of the narrative?

As to the rest...I'm going to try to stick to replies on the substance of the argumnents only, so I'll stay out of responding to the off topic snipes.

The FACT REMAINS that production is at an all time high (in our "post peak" universe). How can this be?

Price has nothing to do with it, but SINCE you brought it up, price is not only NOT at an all time high, but as pointed out, in inflation adjusted dollars, not remarkable at all.

Wanna try something else then?

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xyricolev', '
')When you can't really argue the point at hand, the first line of defense is to try and change the subject, right?

[Xyricolev]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xyricolev', ' ')(Doomers and Cornies, remember?)

[Xyricolev]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xyricolev', '
')When you can't really argue the point at hand, the first line of defense is to try and change the subject, right?

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xyricolev', 'h')ttp://www.oil-price.net/

Sorry...not record high...in fact, in inflation adjusted dollars, fairly LOW

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xyricolev', '
')LOL...so I take it the literal thing,

[Xyricolev]

yes...it does, and the current price is by no means a "record high." I assumed that when you said oil was at a record high price, we were talking about ... current price, right?

And even if you were talking about the record high prices of days gone by, that doesn't help your argument cos it means that prices have since come down, right?

I mean...that's just basic logic, yes?


As to the reading what I write thing...noted. In the future I'll refrain from using allegory, simile, analogy, or sarcasm, since your only mode of thought is to take every word written at its literal face value.

As to your comment about my "radical" idea...contained in the more detailed explanation (to satisfy that increadibly machine like literal thought process of yours) I included an acknowledgement that between the two basic polar positions there were obviously shades of gray, so your point is....I'm not even sure it IS a point.

And you yourself just referred to a conjectural "cornucopian" board, which seems to imply that aside from making snarky replies to me, you basically subscribe to the paradigm I outlined....but GREAT try!

So...I take it tho that the main purpose for all these off topic wanderings is that you really don't have anything to say about the new record high rate of production?

Gotta be a misprint, right? I mean...we're supposed to be at LEAST five years post peak...that kind of thing happening now is just...rude.

[dorlomin]