$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', '
')If the message put accross was more realistic, i.e drip feed the decline in living standards, educating people to reject consumer products that have a stunted life, live near to work, use local shops, buy locally made products etc, rather than the "mad max" type of scenario that many associate with peak oil.
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The End of The End: How the Peak Oil Movement Failed
Re: The End of The End: How the Peak Oil Movement Failed
by Xenophobe » Sat 08 Jan 2011, 18:52:04
It is too late. EV and PHEV transport means we can have our roads, our suburbia, our cruising the boulevard on Saturday night, bench racing our performance EVs at the local burger drive through...its just too late. We can live 20 miles from work, or even 50 with a small improvement in battery technology (which is right around the corner of course as demonstrated by this type of working prototype Deleted).
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', '
')The first phase of the decline has already started of course, with the economy refusing to continue to grow as everyone has expected it to, this economic decline is being blamed on other things of course so the lack of cheap plentiful oil is not really noticed.
Currently, growth isn't being called a decline by anyone except those who have hopes for one in the future. Which they will get, of course, recessions are as much a part of the business cycle as growth is.
Information on our current post recession growth in the US.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/e ... utlook.htm
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Re: The End of The End: How the Peak Oil Movement Failed
by dolanbaker » Sat 08 Jan 2011, 19:31:30
EV's only provide part of the solution, as in they disconnect oil from personal transportation, by that I mean you don't directly place oil derived fuel into the vehicle.
But you still need oil elsewhere in the life cycle of the vehicles, extraction of raw materials, during production, possibly in the generation of the electricity used to charge it. Coal and gas will also provide the electricity for a few years then what?
Econonic cycles, During previous downswings there was always some reinvestment with expected growth and when the fuel was available so came the growth!
This time it appears to be different, as in when the growth tried to start, the price of fuel (mainly oil) rapidly rises and "cuts off growth at the pass" the same can be said for raw materials and food. All of these factors stiffle casual consumption of "consumer goods" as many cut back and just buy the essentials.
Growth needs cheap oil and it ain't there!
But you still need oil elsewhere in the life cycle of the vehicles, extraction of raw materials, during production, possibly in the generation of the electricity used to charge it. Coal and gas will also provide the electricity for a few years then what?
Econonic cycles, During previous downswings there was always some reinvestment with expected growth and when the fuel was available so came the growth!
This time it appears to be different, as in when the growth tried to start, the price of fuel (mainly oil) rapidly rises and "cuts off growth at the pass" the same can be said for raw materials and food. All of these factors stiffle casual consumption of "consumer goods" as many cut back and just buy the essentials.
Growth needs cheap oil and it ain't there!
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Our whole economy is based on planned obsolescence.
Hungrymoggy "I am now predicting that Europe will NUKE ITSELF sometime in the first week of January"
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Re: The End of The End: How the Peak Oil Movement Failed
by Xenophobe » Sat 08 Jan 2011, 19:37:54
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', '
')But you still need oil elsewhere in the life cycle of the vehicles, extraction of raw materials, during production, possibly in the generation of the electricity used to charge it. Coal and gas will also provide the electricity for a few years then what?
')But you still need oil elsewhere in the life cycle of the vehicles, extraction of raw materials, during production, possibly in the generation of the electricity used to charge it. Coal and gas will also provide the electricity for a few years then what?
You need fuels for all SORTS of things, sure. Good thing that demand destruction because of demand destruction in transport because of EV use will allow us to keep it around that much longer for all the real purposes for which it is so much better suited.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', '
')This time it appears to be different, as in when the growth tried to start, the price of fuel (mainly oil) rapidly rises and "cuts off growth at the pass" the same can be said for raw materials and food. All of these factors stiffle casual consumption of "consumer goods" as many cut back and just buy the essentials.
Growth needs cheap oil and it ain't there!
Cheap crude disappeared in 1970. We've done some good growing, both in real crude prices and GDP between 1970 and 2010, so I'll wait until we have a little more evidence in hand before drawing a definitive conclusion I think. Seems to me that growth and increasing prices of crude track each other....so its reasonable to expect both.
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are you serious?
