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The End of The End: How the Peak Oil Movement Failed

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Re: The End of The End: How the Peak Oil Movement Failed

Unread postby lasseter » Tue 14 Jan 2014, 23:54:01

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Seriously?

You can't for the life of you see how the end of cheap oil as we knew it (TEOCOAWKI) is behind us?


Unfortunately sp, most people today have a very short attention span. I personally believe that they have been "trained" by the mass media in this regard. Like in the way you would train a dog to catch a stick. If there is no stick in sight the dog won't generally go looking for it. In a similar way the broard masses of the population saw a big rise in oil prices and got scared, they started to believe in PO. Then when the price came back down for a period, and the politicians got on TV saying that a lot more oil has been found and they needn't worry any longer, the broard masses went back to sleep. Or as evidenced here, try to refute the truth based on the new lies they have been told.

Of course there is the simple compounding fact that they don't want to believe anyway, few people have a stomach for bad news in these idolent times of ours.
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Re: The End of The End: How the Peak Oil Movement Failed

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Wed 15 Jan 2014, 17:54:23

“…most people today have a very short attention span.”. True but depending on one’s particular situation it doesn’t require memory when it confronts you daily. Fortunately for me I don’t focus much on what it costs me to fill up. But I also periodically deal with some folks who aren’t so fortunate. Like folks who wait for their paychecks to show up so they can get a few $’s worth in their car. It’s actually not difficult for me to remember: last spring I did a little BBQ for several families that were having a garage sale: old cloths etc. and some of the kid’s toys. Part of the goal was to bring in enough money to pay for their share of gasoline for the car pool group. I’m sure those families have a difficult time forgetting energy costs even when they try. And the memory stays with me…not a good memory.

Folks do make adjustments which aren’t as severe as others so it might be easy for a fair number to ignore the obvious. But there are still a lot of folks who get slapped upside the head with the obvious every time the pass a gas station and can’t stop themselves from noting the price…and wondering what they’ll do if it goes up. As much as we Americans like to bitch about our “hard times” many of us still haven’t come close to slamming into that energy wall...yet.
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Re: The End of The End: How the Peak Oil Movement Failed

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Wed 15 Jan 2014, 19:03:06

S/B – In a way I like your analogy even better. But in the sense that as we grow older many of us can handle PO better now than if we were in our 20’s. Certainly not true for everyone but consider the generalization: You’re 65 yo, retired, paid the mortgage off, have a modest retirement income, hopefully no nesting kids, etc. Might have some bigger med bills these days but you’re also not spending $3,000+/year for commuting fuel. Now you might drive just a few miles per week. You also don’t have to face the prospect of getting laid off because increased energy costs have driven your company out of business. And heaven forbid you just graduated college, owe $120k in student loans and are one of 30 applicants for a job at McDonalds to be a junior manager trainee. And Dog help you if you fell in love and have a new baby on the way.

Back to my analogy: one thing to be disagnosed with stage 3 when your 65+ yo…another matter when you’re 24 yo. We old farts have had our days in the sun of cheap oil. Can’t say that for the newbies out there…poor bastards. LOL. From a PO perspective some of old farts have gone into remission...if not cancer free. Now all we have to do is just wait for that sweet release death brings.
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Re: The End of The End: How the Peak Oil Movement Failed

Unread postby sparky » Thu 16 Jan 2014, 21:19:01

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People adapt , industry adapt , government adapt , it take a while but they do
nobody care about what it was in the past ,
pappy telling the kids a cup of coffee used to cost a dime , big yawn 8)

they deal with the present and deal well with it ,what is scary is the rate of change
as long as it's manageable , no worries , but if it's overwhelming that's a big big problem
that's why global warming or Peak Oil is not a public issue ,
it's mega change over decades , as such of no importance for everyday life .
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Re: The End of The End: How the Peak Oil Movement Failed

Unread postby ralfy » Fri 17 Jan 2014, 02:55:14

Cross-posted:

"Peak oil? What peak oil?"

http://cassandralegacy.blogspot.com/201 ... k-oil.html
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