[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'I') don't know who is the more naive. Peak Oil doomers who actually believe that they see warning signals of a capitalism, which is in ebullient expansionary mode, on the brink of imminent collapse, or denialists who believe that this dog and pony show has a future of any sort, Singularity devices included.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'I') don't know who is the more naive. Peak Oil doomers who actually believe that they see warning signals of a capitalism, which is in ebullient expansionary mode, on the brink of imminent collapse, or denialists who believe that this dog and pony show has a future of any sort, Singularity devices included.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
')A king with a ton of gold and no soldiers will find that he can't carry the gold by himself anymore then he can stop the incoming tide.

[dolanbaker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', ' ')

It's fun to think peak oil will be the great equalizer. But I don't think that will be the case during our lifetimes.

I think peak oil will be the great unequalizer.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
')A king with a ton of gold and no soldiers will find that he can't carry the gold by himself anymore then he can stop the incoming tide.

[Revi]

We're all gonna be walking soon. I think we'll see minivans acting as busses in a lot of places. I am realizing that driving a car that gets 11 mpg is stupid. I was thinking of getting another vehicle that gets good mileage, but it may be too expensive. I can't go anwhere any more. Ten dollars of gas gets me 34 miles! In my wife's car that will take us a hundred miles or more.

It beats walking.

[dolanbaker]

EVs were out of the picture a lot earlier than that! Superior power and range of the ICE saw to that.
Anyway peak oil is not just about the cars, what's the point in being able to drive everywhere in an EV when food production has collapsed due to restricted supplies of oil based fertilisers, pesticides etc plus the reduction in fuel for tractors.

Repeat, peak oil is not just about the cars!

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', 'E')Vs were out of the picture a lot earlier than that! Superior power and range of the ICE saw to that.
Anyway peak oil is not just about the cars, what's the point in being able to drive everywhere in an EV when food production has collapsed due to restricted supplies of oil based fertilisers, pesticides etc plus the reduction in fuel for tractors.

Repeat, peak oil is not just about the cars!

[dolanbaker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', 'E')Vs were out of the picture a lot earlier than that! Superior power and range of the ICE saw to that.
Anyway peak oil is not just about the cars, what's the point in being able to drive everywhere in an EV when food production has collapsed due to restricted supplies of oil based fertilisers, pesticides etc plus the reduction in fuel for tractors.

Repeat, peak oil is not just about the cars!

[IsThisRealLife]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', 'P')eak oil was supposed to be THE serious. Happened 5 years ago. Maybe we need to wait another 5? A decade? Or this more of a Malthusian scale prediction, and we need to wait a few centuries?

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', ' ')They will bulldoze suburbs flat before they will let any of the corn belt go fallow.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', ' ')They will bulldoze suburbs flat before they will let any of the corn belt go fallow.

[Ludi]

No, I don't. Unless someone is paying for production in the corn belt nobody will bother to farm it. Who will pay? I guess China might, for awhile. Nobody is going to bulldoze the suburbs or whatever. This idea that farming will somehow magically continue in the absence of money to pay for farming is a strange one to me. The 1-2% of the US population who farm these days do it because they are paid to farm; they aren't farming to produce food, they are farming to produce money. "The government will do it" seems to be the argument. But folks are constantly telling us the government is collapsing, or will collapse in the near future. So what government is going to pay to continue to farm? Who exactly is "they"?

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'N')o, I don't. Unless someone is paying for production in the corn belt nobody will bother to farm it. Who will pay? I guess China might, for awhile. Nobody is going to bulldoze the suburbs or whatever. This idea that farming will somehow magically continue in the absence of money to pay for farming is a strange one to me. The 1-2% of the US population who farm these days do it because they are paid to farm; they aren't farming to produce food, they are farming to produce money. "The government will do it" seems to be the argument. But folks are constantly telling us the government is collapsing, or will collapse in the near future. So what government is going to pay to continue to farm? Who exactly is "they"?

[Carlhole]

If anything, we'll see a wave of robotization and AI sweep through industrial agriculture, operating on huge farms which use electrical energy from small modular molten salt reactors, or something along those lines. The numbers of human farm workers will shrink still further. Same thing in manufacturing.

Robotization and use of AI is a powerfully advancing trend. I don't see how people around here can ignore it. Ain't gonna be no "little house on the prairie" if the robots are coming. And they are.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'I')f anything, we'll see a wave of robotization and AI sweep through industrial agriculture, operating on huge farms which use electrical energy from small modular molten salt reactors, or something along those lines. The numbers of human farm workers will shrink still further. Same thing in manufacturing.

Robotization and use of AI is a powerfully advancing trend. I don't see how people around here can ignore it. Ain't gonna be no "little house on the prairie" if the robots are coming. And they are.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
')Irrespective of how that profit is derived, whether it be by human labour or some other form of surplus creation, the underlying valorisation still requires to be considered.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'N')o, I don't. Unless someone is paying for production in the corn belt nobody will bother to farm it. Who will pay? I guess China might, for awhile. Nobody is going to bulldoze the suburbs or whatever. This idea that farming will somehow magically continue in the absence of money to pay for farming is a strange one to me. The 1-2% of the US population who farm these days do it because they are paid to farm; they aren't farming to produce food, they are farming to produce money. "The government will do it" seems to be the argument. But folks are constantly telling us the government is collapsing, or will collapse in the near future. So what government is going to pay to continue to farm? Who exactly is "they"?

[rangerone314]

How many electric cars will be on the road in 5 years? In 10 years? (out of 250 million personal vehicles in the US?)

Peak Oil movement failed for the same reason that electing Obama has not resulted in real change. The system is rigged to maintain the status quo until it collapses.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'H')ow many electric cars will be on the road in 5 years? In 10 years? (out of 250 million personal vehicles in the US?)

Peak Oil movement failed for the same reason that electing Obama has not resulted in real change. The system is rigged to maintain the status quo until it collapses.