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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby dolanbaker » Mon 04 Oct 2010, 20:37:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')Already in this downturn we've got massive labor unrest mixed with general strikes in Spain, Greece and France, with Ireland, Portugal, and Italy heading down the same road.


Ireland is still a long way from any serious unrest, apart from the "dissies" in the north who set off a bomb next to a bank while they desperatly try to restart the troubles!
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 04 Oct 2010, 20:51:34

So what would be the spark to set off the Second Revolution? Seems like people are getting all upset about stuff that isn't happening, like socialized health care and gun confiscation. :|
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Pops » Mon 04 Oct 2010, 21:05:09

Cloud's right, we'll keep being distracted -the Left got it's big change and now the right will get a "win" for their side (maybe) whether it does or not it will set up the battle lines for the next campaign. We'll stagger left then wobble right then back again, just like always, gazing at the shiny-pretty held up for our amusement.

I'm always awed that without a shot fired, the entire direction of government can change - I'm always amazed it never does.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Mon 04 Oct 2010, 21:16:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'S')o what would be the spark to set off the Second Revolution? Seems like people are getting all upset about stuff that isn't happening, like socialized health care and gun confiscation. :|

A few possibilities:
1. Social Security checks stop coming.
2. Your ATM card stops working
3. Gas goes above $10.00 per gallon
4. There is nothing in Wal-Mart you can afford.
5. the shelves at the Piggly Wiggly are empty.
6. There is no booze at the liquor store.
7. There is no bread, beer or cigarettes at the Cumbies or at the Seven Eleven
8.You and everyone else in your family is out of work.
9. Your cell phone and cable TV stop working.
10. It's fall and you cant fill your fuel tank for the house furnace.
11. They stop shipping pot north from Mexico.
12 Lindsey Lohan actually goes to jail.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Cog » Mon 04 Oct 2010, 21:23:24

With a little luck the Tea Party radicals will create absolute chaos to the legislative process in Washington. I'm always more comfortable when there is bickering and outright panic among the political class.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 04 Oct 2010, 21:43:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
')A few possibilities:
1. Social Security checks stop coming.
2. Your ATM card stops working
3. Gas goes above $10.00 per gallon
4. There is nothing in Wal-Mart you can afford.
5. the shelves at the Piggly Wiggly are empty.
6. There is no booze at the liquor store.
7. There is no bread, beer or cigarettes at the Cumbies or at the Seven Eleven
8.You and everyone else in your family is out of work.
9. Your cell phone and cable TV stop working.
10. It's fall and you cant fill your fuel tank for the house furnace.
11. They stop shipping pot north from Mexico.
12 Lindsey Lohan actually goes to jail.



Old people, fat people, alcoholics, potheads, and couch potatoes just don't seem like they're quite up to instigating revolution..... 8O
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Pops » Mon 04 Oct 2010, 21:59:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '5'). the shelves at the Piggly Wiggly are empty.

That's it, I'm pissed - I don't even have a Piggly Wiggly!

Where's my pitchfork!
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby efarmer » Mon 04 Oct 2010, 22:14:40

You have five little piggly wigglys in each shoe Pops, and I am a little rusty, but I think the big one is the one that gets to go to market. Mine use to be piggly wigglys, but now they smell like hoggly wogglys.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 04 Oct 2010, 22:33:08

I don't know about there being a revolution but I would not at all be surprised to see some real wacko running hard in the '16 election.

When I say this everyone jumps to 'Hitler.' I dunno. Maybe, or maybe something else entirely. Could swing right or left but more likely weird.

I just think that all those 'couch potatoes' Ludi mentions will be fed up and want someone to do their revolutionary bidding form them, and someone will oblige.

Glen Beck on steroids?

A religious guy?

Anti-immigration?
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby efarmer » Mon 04 Oct 2010, 22:50:39

Keep your eyes on Vogelzang, he is just making friends and building consensus now, but I think he may be a serious contender. I have long marveled as his investments have struck paydirt time and time again and he could very well just write his own check and not be dependent on anyone else for campaign funding. The meme in 2016: "What Me Worry? Yes We Can."
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Sixstrings » Mon 04 Oct 2010, 23:03:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'S')o what would be the spark to set off the Second Revolution? Seems like people are getting all upset about stuff that isn't happening, like socialized health care and gun confiscation. :|


Can we blame the British again?
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby eastbay » Mon 04 Oct 2010, 23:16:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'S')o what would be the spark to set off the Second Revolution?


40% unemployment, 12 hour waits in gas lines, and $20.00/gallon gas, maybe? We know this is coming fast and that there is absolutely nothing that can stop it too. So expect revolution. Expect many to disapprove. Expect them to resist. Expect horrors.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 05 Oct 2010, 10:13:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', ' ') So expect revolution.


Revolution against whom? Or by "revolution" do you actually mean "rioting." :?:

Definition of REVOLUTION
2a : a sudden, radical, or complete change b : a fundamental change in political organization; especially : the overthrow or renunciation of one government or ruler and the substitution of another by the governed c : activity or movement designed to effect fundamental changes in the socioeconomic situation d : a fundamental change in the way of thinking about or visualizing something : a change of paradigm <the Copernican revolution>


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/revolution

I think a lot of people use the word "revolution" when they really mean "rioting"

If there is a Revolution against a failed economy, what fundamental change in political organization or socioeconomic situation is being sought? What paradigm shift is occurring in peoples' minds?
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby eastbay » Tue 05 Oct 2010, 10:25:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', ' ') So expect revolution.


Revolution against whom?


The usual: Haves vs have nots.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby ian807 » Tue 05 Oct 2010, 10:28:09

Americans will revolt when there's no more:

1) Cheap food, particularly of the fried chicken variety
2) Cheap entertainment (TV, internet).
3) Cheap drugs (Beer, pot and that pastoral favorite, crystal meth)
4) Cheap gas. How else to drive to their minimum wage jobs 25 miles away?

When all this goes, so goes the USA as a singular geopolitical entity. 95% of the population will be in withdrawal from one or all of the above. They have guns and they will be cranky.

Until then, expect nothing more threatening that a tea party rally where the majority of folks look like they couldn't run the 100-yard dash without heart failure, much less revolt.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Tue 05 Oct 2010, 10:53:47

You forgot the disabled Ludi! A Wheelchair Revolution? Seems a rediculuous idea until you consider disabled veteran entitlements. I believe the US does have about the best veteran care provisions in the world; I know a lot of veterans living in Asia on T&P military pensions; there must be many thousands scattered around the world by now, besides those in home camps. These guys, like everyone else these days, network.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Tue 05 Oct 2010, 12:05:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'I') don't know about there being a revolution but I would not at all be surprised to see some real wacko running hard in the '16 election.
When I say this everyone jumps to 'Hitler.' I dunno. Maybe, or maybe something else entirely. Could swing right or left but more likely weird.

I just think that all those 'couch potatoes' Ludi mentions will be fed up and want someone to do their revolutionary bidding form them, and someone will oblige.

Glen Beck on steroids?

A religious guy?

Anti-immigration?

8) Arn't there several wacos running in every election? Why would one skip 2012 and wait for 2016? Or do you mean by "running hard" that a wack job will be getting votes and winning primaries by 2016?
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 05 Oct 2010, 13:15:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ian807', 'A')mericans will revolt when there's no more:

1) Cheap food, particularly of the fried chicken variety
2) Cheap entertainment (TV, internet).
3) Cheap drugs (Beer, pot and that pastoral favorite, crystal meth)
4) Cheap gas. How else to drive to their minimum wage jobs 25 miles away?

When all this goes, so goes the USA as a singular geopolitical entity. 95% of the population will be in withdrawal from one or all of the above. They have guns and they will be cranky.

Until then, expect nothing more threatening that a tea party rally where the majority of folks look like they couldn't run the 100-yard dash without heart failure, much less revolt.



But do you really expect the cranky folks to be any more fit for revolution than the Tea Party folks? They might be revolting, but I imagine they could be placated fairly easy with a few bags of chips and beers.

Again, I expect there will be rioting, but I don't expect there will be "Revolution." Let's not confuse the two. There was no revolution in LA after the Rodney King verdict. But there were a lot of cranky people, some with guns. :(
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby efarmer » Tue 05 Oct 2010, 13:28:14

Less cheap food will make Americans look less revolting, less mindless TV will make Americans acts less revolting. You know the more impoverished we become, the more likely it is that Americans will be less revolting instead of more revolting.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Tue 05 Oct 2010, 18:24:53

It may go way past a little dieting and slimming down. Cut off regular food distribution and or the means to pay for the food and your couch potatoes will be lean and mean in a hurry. There was a saying that no country is more then two meals from a revolution. North korea not withstanding there is a lot of truth in that. We are at about eightteen percent unemployed now. Want to guess what things would be like if we got to fiftyone percent and the government ran out of money to pay unemployment checks?
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