Can't see a full blown revolution - things are not that bad at the moment and the US is a fairly conservative country. I can't see the US doing a France.
However I can possibly see a new political party or two, the tea party is an obvious candidate for those on the far right but I wonder if a mainstream (by European standards) left party might emerge from an increasing number of disgruntled democrats???
The US doesn't have a real left wing (don't tell me the Democrats are left - they aren't) and as things get worse they might just pick up a good deal of votes from the increasing numbers of have nots.
The other effect I can certainly see is a shift of power from the federal to the individual states.
In an energy constrained world transportation is going to be reduced and regional differences exaggerated. In such a world what does Miami have in common with Seattle? Who is going to care what happens in San Diego when you live in Maine? You'd be a lot more interested in Quebec\Newfoundland than a place that is 3,000-4,000 miles away.
Washington will get more and more remote and ineffectual.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution
by Cabrone » Fri 08 Oct 2010, 05:19:25
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution
by gollum » Fri 08 Oct 2010, 10:27:07
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cabrone', 'C')an't see a full blown revolution - things are not that bad at the moment and the US is a fairly conservative country. I can't see the US doing a France.
However I can possibly see a new political party or two, the tea party is an obvious candidate for those on the far right but I wonder if a mainstream (by European standards) left party might emerge from an increasing number of disgruntled democrats???
The US doesn't have a real left wing (don't tell me the Democrats are left - they aren't) and as things get worse they might just pick up a good deal of votes from the increasing numbers of have nots.
The other effect I can certainly see is a shift of power from the federal to the individual states.
In an energy constrained world transportation is going to be reduced and regional differences exaggerated. In such a world what does Miami have in common with Seattle? Who is going to care what happens in San Diego when you live in Maine? You'd be a lot more interested in Quebec\Newfoundland than a place that is 3,000-4,000 miles away.
Washington will get more and more remote and ineffectual.
However I can possibly see a new political party or two, the tea party is an obvious candidate for those on the far right but I wonder if a mainstream (by European standards) left party might emerge from an increasing number of disgruntled democrats???
The US doesn't have a real left wing (don't tell me the Democrats are left - they aren't) and as things get worse they might just pick up a good deal of votes from the increasing numbers of have nots.
The other effect I can certainly see is a shift of power from the federal to the individual states.
In an energy constrained world transportation is going to be reduced and regional differences exaggerated. In such a world what does Miami have in common with Seattle? Who is going to care what happens in San Diego when you live in Maine? You'd be a lot more interested in Quebec\Newfoundland than a place that is 3,000-4,000 miles away.
Washington will get more and more remote and ineffectual.
Think Russia 1991, and 9 nations of north America. As the Federal government becomes more irrelevant states in some cases (Texas for example) or groups of states will fill the vacuum. I was just reading this morning that the federal government wants to outlaw cell phone use in cars, just a sigh of how dysfunctional the federal government has really become.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution
by Ludi » Fri 08 Oct 2010, 10:41:42
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', ' ')As the Federal government becomes more irrelevant states in some cases (Texas for example)
Yeah, that'll work out great. Texas has one of the least relevant and most corrupt state governments in the union.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution
by gollum » Fri 08 Oct 2010, 10:56:50
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', ' ')As the Federal government becomes more irrelevant states in some cases (Texas for example)
Yeah, that'll work out great. Texas has one of the least relevant and most corrupt state governments in the union.
And the fact that they are probably better able to run things better than the federal government is a sign of just how irrelevant the Washington DC is becoming. Texas has the both 2nd largest area, and 2nd largest population in the US, and economy and military larger than that of many countries so they are very viable as a stand alone country which hardly makes them irrelevant. I just picked TX out of a hat as an example really. California, Alaska, and Hawaii would also make viable countries, as would various groups of states such as the old confederacy, Washington and Oregon, The "liberal north east", Montana Idaho Utah Wyoming and the Dakotas come to mind as does the southwest.
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I guess they could just be randomly rampaging around killing people, but that seems kind of unlikely.
