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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby efarmer » Fri 08 Oct 2010, 18:56:38

Oh boy, 3 commie cacklefruits over easy, with 2 pieces of the people's toast, and some homegrowed Missouri swampturkey sausage. Sure hope I have some Cuban coffee left to brew.

I think when Americans get over uncertainty and their imagination and good nature returns to their cheeks we will do the best we can under the circumstances. That is not a hope, or a prayer, that's a fact. I'll even share my possum and grits with a rich sucker.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby rangerone314 » Mon 11 Oct 2010, 03:05:14

Its too bad we can't gather up all the convicts, ghetto people and drug addicts and point them in the direction of Wall Street, K-Street, and the rich's gated communities and get them to annihilate each other.
An ideology is by definition not a search for TRUTH-but a search for PROOF that its point of view is right

Equals barter and negotiate-people with power just take

You cant defend freedom by eliminating it-unknown

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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 11 Oct 2010, 10:07:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'I')ts too bad we can't gather up all the convicts, ghetto people and drug addicts and point them in the direction of Wall Street, K-Street, and the rich's gated communities and get them to annihilate each other.



What is a "ghetto person"?
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby rangerone314 » Mon 11 Oct 2010, 12:00:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'I')ts too bad we can't gather up all the convicts, ghetto people and drug addicts and point them in the direction of Wall Street, K-Street, and the rich's gated communities and get them to annihilate each other.



What is a "ghetto person"?

Those who could work but don't and have the educational level to compete with illegal immigrants but don't.
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Equals barter and negotiate-people with power just take

You cant defend freedom by eliminating it-unknown

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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby efarmer » Mon 11 Oct 2010, 12:18:19

We are in the collapse from financial overshoot with our system that simply kept raising the required future growth ratio to feed it's desires instead of real needs. We need to drop our needs to correspond to reality and that means we are in withdrawal from growth addiction.

There is nobody to fight about this to correct this situation except ourselves. All of this enemy identification BS is about people and groups who want your anger to turn into their power and money and is a complete waste of time.

So rather than waste a bunch of time on straw men and oppressors, let's cut to the chase and everyone stand up and see if you are flexible enough to curl rearward with your right leg if you are conservative and your left leg if you are liberal, and kick your own sorry ass. Don't hold back or make a half hearted attempt, really deliver a good ass kicking so you have gotten some punishment and are ready to move on and heal and can take stock and do something constructive. We have made a consumption machine in America that cannot be run by the available resources and it has to be dismantled by default or with a conscious plan. Don't hold your breath for a conscious plan.

This will help us separate our reality from the notion that living more simply and with less is the end of the world and that someone else did this to us.

Remember to kick on the cheeks and stay out of the middle.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 11 Oct 2010, 12:44:33

I dunno, efarmer. I kind of think folks should maybe try to get back some of the stuff the top percent or so have taken, or at the very least, refuse to let them have any more. :x
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby pup55 » Mon 11 Oct 2010, 13:41:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hose who could work but don't and have the educational level to compete with illegal immigrants but don't.


Hey, this is the exact definition of "white trash".....
except that they don't live in the urban areas, they live in trailers out in the country and fly the confederate flag....

There is a fellow that works out in the back of the plant where I work, and he more or less fits that definition.... He's on section-8 housing, his 5 kids and enormous wife get food stamps, but he has his radio turned to Rush Limbaugh every time I go out there... He does nothing but complain about the government taking over the health care system even though the plant had to take up a collection because he was behind on the rent because he, himself, had too many medical bills.... but heaven forbid the government make him wait in line for his kids get some medicine for their frequent ear aches....

Leaving aside for a second the question of why the company should be paying him so poorly that he cannot afford to bring up his family.....

Why is he not on the other side? When the lightbulb finally comes on in the minds of these people, or when the mammary gland of government aid dries up and those little kids go hungry, then you will have your revolution....
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby careinke » Mon 11 Oct 2010, 14:07:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') dunno, efarmer. I kind of think folks should maybe try to get back some of the stuff the top percent or so have taken, or at the very least, refuse to let them have any more. :x


Who took the stuff?? Bill Gates? Warren Buffet? The Kid from Facebook who just gave away $100,000,000 towards schools. Yea lets round them all up and hang them!!!
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 11 Oct 2010, 18:45:49

These are the seeds of a radical movement within the US culture. We wish to find "someone" to blame; be it the "welfare Mom" or the "rich industrialist." This is how the Nazis started in Germany. Blame the Jew. Sadly, we in the US are no different.

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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Mon 11 Oct 2010, 19:27:29

Another laughable PO.com thread. If you really want to explore the possibilities of revolution, shouldn't you look back at history for examples of the conditions that lead to it? America in 1776, France in 1788, Russia 1917? How does America in 2010 come close to any of those? Let's face it - Americans are STILL too fat & happy to get violent in the street in #s that matter. also remember that the government have the really big guns.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Lore » Mon 11 Oct 2010, 19:54:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'A')nother laughable PO.com thread. If you really want to explore the possibilities of revolution, shouldn't you look back at history for examples of the conditions that lead to it? America in 1776, France in 1788, Russia 1917? How does America in 2010 come close to any of those? Let's face it - Americans are STILL too fat & happy to get violent in the street in #s that matter. also remember that the government have the really big guns.


Yes indeed, this is a bit nonsensical, at least in the present state of affairs. There was a time when you owned a musket and that was on a par with the maximum military capability of your government. Today, your government can take you out with minimal effort and from many miles, both vertically and horizontally, away.

Not until you have a substantial deterioration of governmental rule both politically and militarily would the wackiest of civil disobedient types have a chance at a violent revolution. It’s pretty obvious that today a revolution can only come from within a peaceful political overturn.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby gollum » Mon 11 Oct 2010, 20:51:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'A')nother laughable PO.com thread. If you really want to explore the possibilities of revolution, shouldn't you look back at history for examples of the conditions that lead to it? America in 1776, France in 1788, Russia 1917? How does America in 2010 come close to any of those? Let's face it - Americans are STILL too fat & happy to get violent in the street in #s that matter. also remember that the government have the really big guns.


Yes indeed, this is a bit nonsensical, at least in the present state of affairs. There was a time when you owned a musket and that was on a par with the maximum military capability of your government. Today, your government can take you out with minimal effort and from many miles, both vertically and horizontally, away.

Not until you have a substantial deterioration of governmental rule both politically and militarily would the wackiest of civil disobedient types have a chance at a violent revolution. It’s pretty obvious that today a revolution can only come from within a peaceful political overturn.



I don't know, the taliban armed only with AKs and Enfields seem to be giving us a pretty good run for our money.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby gollum » Mon 11 Oct 2010, 20:54:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'T')oday, your government can take you out with minimal effort and from many miles, both vertically and horizontally, away.

Not until you have a substantial deterioration of governmental rule both politically and militarily would the wackiest of civil disobedient types have a chance at a violent revolution.
Or at least until the "government" continues to pay its soldiers. After that, all bets are off.



Think Soviet Union 1991
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 11 Oct 2010, 21:08:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', '
')I don't know, the taliban armed only with AKs and Enfields seem to be giving us a pretty good run for our money.



That situation is very much complicated by the desire to keep innocent civilian casualties to a minimum. It's not really possible to know how the federal government would react to a full-scale revolution of the US populace. Or are you postulating little local or regional uprisings?
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby gollum » Mon 11 Oct 2010, 21:14:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', '
')I don't know, the taliban armed only with AKs and Enfields seem to be giving us a pretty good run for our money.



That situation is very much complicated by the desire to keep innocent civilian casualties to a minimum. It's not really possible to know how the federal government would react to a full-scale revolution of the US populace. Or are you postulating little local or regional uprisings?



My prediction is for a Soviet style amicable divorce, but if I were predicting "revolution" I'd predict 1860s style (politically) civil war driven by sectionalism.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 11 Oct 2010, 21:20:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', '
')My prediction is for a Soviet style amicable divorce, but if I were predicting "revolution" I'd predict 1860s style (politically) civil war driven by sectionalism.


So not really so much a "revolution" as a bunch of rich guys trying to hang onto their piece of the pie by forcing their poor countrymen to take up arms versus another bunch of rich guys trying to get more pie by forcing their poor countrymen to take up arms.

Oh THAT sounds terrific. No doubt it will work out as well as the last time. :(
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby gollum » Mon 11 Oct 2010, 22:05:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', '
')My prediction is for a Soviet style amicable divorce, but if I were predicting "revolution" I'd predict 1860s style (politically) civil war driven by sectionalism.


So not really so much a "revolution" as a bunch of rich guys trying to hang onto their piece of the pie by forcing their poor countrymen to take up arms versus another bunch of rich guys trying to get more pie by forcing their poor countrymen to take up arms.

Oh THAT sounds terrific. No doubt it will work out as well as the last time. :(




I'm not advocating it, just predicting it. If things go well, we get our act together, make economic and social changes, maybe some technical fixes maybe we can avoid it.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Mon 11 Oct 2010, 22:33:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'T')oday, your government can take you out with minimal effort and from many miles, both vertically and horizontally, away.

Not until you have a substantial deterioration of governmental rule both politically and militarily would the wackiest of civil disobedient types have a chance at a violent revolution.
Or at least until the "government" continues to pay its soldiers. After that, all bets are off.

Think Soviet Union 1991
I have always believed that the Russian kleptocracy is the model for america's (mainly) right wing billionaires. They have no problem with looking to Russia for their political model and China for their ecomonic model.
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