Rioting, but not a revolution.
Again, let's not confuse a bunch of angry people breaking things and shooting guns with a revolution.
What would they be revolting against and what would they be trying to implement in its place?
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution
by SeaGypsy » Tue 05 Oct 2010, 20:09:40
Damn! The genius of dumocracy has undone the revolution before it happens?
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution
by eastbay » Tue 05 Oct 2010, 22:55:09
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'R')ioting, but not a revolution.
Again, let's not confuse a bunch of angry people breaking things and shooting guns with a revolution.
What would they be revolting against and what would they be trying to implement in its place?
Again, let's not confuse a bunch of angry people breaking things and shooting guns with a revolution.
What would they be revolting against and what would they be trying to implement in its place?
Revolting against hunger.
And willing to put any promised happy salvation in its place. But eventually the number of poor will be so great they will easily vote out the system granting riches to the few. And vote in a system allowing for shared resources.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution
by rangerone314 » Tue 05 Oct 2010, 23:58:11
I'd like to run in 2016.
My platform would be to legalize wiping out 95% of CEO's of large corporations-especially outsourcers (not small businesses) and lobbyists and lawyers and bankers, and 100% of the prison population and drug addicts, and most of the babyboomers (thus saving Social Security for those generations who haven't driven this country into debt and need the money more than those living the high life on said DEBT). Also planting like 500 million claymores and sentry guns along the US-Mexican border. Asset forfeiture for companies hiring illegals (cars, houses, their wives jewelry and shoes etc)
If Congress whined about this agenda, as President I would render all 500+ of them to Gitmo as enemy combatants (since they have spent years being a domestic enemy) and have them waterboarded until they die of old age (which won't be long for a lot of those old vampires)
If you wipe out the leeches both above and below the middle class that are sucking it dry, this country MIGHT have a chance.
My platform would be to legalize wiping out 95% of CEO's of large corporations-especially outsourcers (not small businesses) and lobbyists and lawyers and bankers, and 100% of the prison population and drug addicts, and most of the babyboomers (thus saving Social Security for those generations who haven't driven this country into debt and need the money more than those living the high life on said DEBT). Also planting like 500 million claymores and sentry guns along the US-Mexican border. Asset forfeiture for companies hiring illegals (cars, houses, their wives jewelry and shoes etc)
If Congress whined about this agenda, as President I would render all 500+ of them to Gitmo as enemy combatants (since they have spent years being a domestic enemy) and have them waterboarded until they die of old age (which won't be long for a lot of those old vampires)
If you wipe out the leeches both above and below the middle class that are sucking it dry, this country MIGHT have a chance.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution
by vtsnowedin » Wed 06 Oct 2010, 05:38:47
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'R')ioting, but not a revolution.
Again, let's not confuse a bunch of angry people breaking things and shooting guns with a revolution.
What would they be revolting against and what would they be trying to implement in its place?
Again, let's not confuse a bunch of angry people breaking things and shooting guns with a revolution.
What would they be revolting against and what would they be trying to implement in its place?
Of course not but revolutions do tend to start with a series of riots. The Boston massacre and Bastille day for example. If your trying to sit on the sidelines you may be forced to choose between joining the rioters or letting them burn down your house or business. Choose right and you survive that day but there is always the possibility that a few months down the road the tide will turn and your new enemy will remember your "poor choice".
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution
by Newfie » Wed 06 Oct 2010, 08:07:32
In writing in Pop's "Punctuated Equlibrim" post I think I may see a bit of an answer. Not ONE revolution but many, regional or by economic group.
White middle class and others flee to Glen Beck type groups. Maybe going far right into anti-immigration, state religion.
Mexicans and Latina's see some salvation in that strange worship of the dead cult thing they have going on in Mexico.
There are various gangs at work that may help bring these groups together.
Possibly regional alliances between states to dilute the force of the Union.
I dunno, but if there is a 'revolution' I don't see it as a single group unified for or against some one thing. I think that it could be a whole bunch of smaller, but no less violent revolutions, with regional flavors.
We are still some time off from this, I hope.
White middle class and others flee to Glen Beck type groups. Maybe going far right into anti-immigration, state religion.
Mexicans and Latina's see some salvation in that strange worship of the dead cult thing they have going on in Mexico.
There are various gangs at work that may help bring these groups together.
Possibly regional alliances between states to dilute the force of the Union.
I dunno, but if there is a 'revolution' I don't see it as a single group unified for or against some one thing. I think that it could be a whole bunch of smaller, but no less violent revolutions, with regional flavors.
We are still some time off from this, I hope.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution
by ian807 » Wed 06 Oct 2010, 10:27:02
Not revolution. Devolution.
I see something more like sporadic riots and breakdowns, combined with a central government that has less and less control over the states.
We're seeing this now a little bit. California has de-facto legalized marijuana, which is illegal under federal law. The federal government is refusing to bail out bankrupt states, or send expensive troops to border states. When the federal government is too bankrupt to enforce taxation or regulation, or even coordinate state activities, I think you'll have the effects of a revolution without a shot being fired. States will fend for themselves and set themselves up as top level governmental authorities and there won't be much Washington can do about it, particularly in states that host a large-ish number of nukes and military bases.
I see something more like sporadic riots and breakdowns, combined with a central government that has less and less control over the states.
We're seeing this now a little bit. California has de-facto legalized marijuana, which is illegal under federal law. The federal government is refusing to bail out bankrupt states, or send expensive troops to border states. When the federal government is too bankrupt to enforce taxation or regulation, or even coordinate state activities, I think you'll have the effects of a revolution without a shot being fired. States will fend for themselves and set themselves up as top level governmental authorities and there won't be much Washington can do about it, particularly in states that host a large-ish number of nukes and military bases.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution
by gollum » Wed 06 Oct 2010, 10:36:35
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ian807', 'N')ot revolution. Devolution.
I see something more like sporadic riots and breakdowns, combined with a central government that has less and less control over the states.
We're seeing this now a little bit. California has de-facto legalized marijuana, which is illegal under federal law. The federal government is refusing to bail out bankrupt states, or send expensive troops to border states. When the federal government is too bankrupt to enforce taxation or regulation, or even coordinate state activities, I think you'll have the effects of a revolution without a shot being fired. States will fend for themselves and set themselves up as top level governmental authorities and there won't be much Washington can do about it, particularly in states that host a large-ish number of nukes and military bases.
I see something more like sporadic riots and breakdowns, combined with a central government that has less and less control over the states.
We're seeing this now a little bit. California has de-facto legalized marijuana, which is illegal under federal law. The federal government is refusing to bail out bankrupt states, or send expensive troops to border states. When the federal government is too bankrupt to enforce taxation or regulation, or even coordinate state activities, I think you'll have the effects of a revolution without a shot being fired. States will fend for themselves and set themselves up as top level governmental authorities and there won't be much Washington can do about it, particularly in states that host a large-ish number of nukes and military bases.
I agree with you're assessment, much like the breakup of the Soviet Union. The only thing I'd like to add is I think groups of states may form real or de facto confederacies.
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution
by vtsnowedin » Wed 06 Oct 2010, 10:47:28
Next month we will have a small nonviolent revolution at the ballot box much to the dismay of the liberal left. This should blow off a lot of steam and relieve the pressure but the new congress will have to actually produce some positive results by 2012 or their success will be short lived.-
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Re: America on the brink of a Second Revolution
by gollum » Wed 06 Oct 2010, 10:51:08
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '8')) Next month we will have a small nonviolent revolution at the ballot box much to the dismay of the liberal left. This should blow off a lot of steam and relieve the pressure but the new congress will have to actually produce some positive results by 2012 or their success will be short lived.
Anyone thinking left or right, red and blue isn't seeing anything near the real picture of the reality the next 25 years holds.
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