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US$ GETTING DESTROYED!!! (71.31)

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General interest discussions, not necessarily related to depletion.

What should we change the title of this thread to?

The US$ ain't worth sh!T?
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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!!(NEW ALL TIME LOW 78.313)

Postby roccman » Mon 24 Sep 2007, 18:13:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jboogy', 'W')ell said , Kunstler is a pretty smart dude and he lays it out in plain english.


Wonder if Howie was smart enough to buy gold...

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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!!(NEW ALL TIME LOW 78.313)

Postby roccman » Tue 25 Sep 2007, 00:02:21

Well now - this is an interesting develoment...

Bloomberg

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ept. 25 (Bloomberg) -- The yen gained versus the British pound and the euro after the Independent newspaper reported the U.K.'s deposit protection plan needs more cash after the bail out of mortgage lender Northern Rock Plc.


Could actually help the US$.
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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!!(NEW ALL TIME LOW 78.267)

Postby roccman » Tue 25 Sep 2007, 11:18:24

78.267

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!!(NEW ALL TIME LOW 78.267)

Postby emersonbiggins » Tue 25 Sep 2007, 11:23:35

Another Thursday setting up?

[web]http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYBOT_DX&v=w[/web]
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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!!(NEW ALL TIME LOW 78.267)

Postby roccman » Tue 25 Sep 2007, 11:55:43

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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!!(NEW ALL TIME LOW 78.267)

Postby Chuckmak » Tue 25 Sep 2007, 12:06:15

*NOT IMPRESSED UNTIL I SEE A 10+ PERCENT DROP IN A DAY*
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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!!(NEW ALL TIME LOW 78.267)

Postby strider3700 » Tue 25 Sep 2007, 13:21:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chuckmak', '[')b]*NOT IMPRESSED UNTIL I SEE A 10+ PERCENT DROP IN A DAY*


Really? I'm pretty impressed with the 10% drop in the last year. Sure it's not exciting enought to throw yourself out the window but the end result is the same.
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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!!(NEW ALL TIME LOW 78.267)

Postby Chuckmak » Tue 25 Sep 2007, 13:47:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chuckmak', '[')b]*NOT IMPRESSED UNTIL I SEE A 10+ PERCENT DROP IN A DAY*


Really? I'm pretty impressed with the 10% drop in the last year. Sure it's not exciting enought to throw yourself out the window but the end result is the same.


I mean i expected the year over year drop...but if you REALLY want my attention...and you REALLY want to see dropping like a rock...it has to happen over the course of a day or week at the latest
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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!!(NEW ALL TIME LOW 78.267)

Postby Petrodollar » Tue 25 Sep 2007, 13:49:44

...just an fyi re Iran, the dollar, euro and yen...

http://www.tradearabia.com/news/newsdet ... tid=130930

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Iran gets over 70pc oil income in non-US currencies
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09-25-2007

Iran has boosted the income it gets from crude oil sales in non-US dollar currencies to more than 70 percent, an oil official said.

A switch in payment by Nippon Oil and other Japanese refiners to yen has helped the Islamic Republic towards its goal of maximising oil revenue in currencies other than the dollar while the greenback stays weak.

Mohammad Ali Khatibi, deputy director of international affairs at the state oil company, told the oil ministry's official website Shana that some Japanese refiners have asked for more time to honour Tehran's request.

"Currently, over 70 percent of Iran's crude exports are based on euro and yen instead of dollar," said Khatibi.

For nearly two years, the world's fourth-biggest oil exporter has been reducing its exposure to the dollar, saying the weak US currency is eroding its purchasing power.


...hope that adds some context to the dollar's recent drop in value relative to the euro, and to a lessor degree, the yen... I'd watch the wildcards: Venezuela and Kuwait...
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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!!(NEW ALL TIME LOW 78.267)

Postby roccman » Tue 25 Sep 2007, 19:31:00

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Symbol Contract Month Time Last Chg Open High Low

DX Z7 [30] US DOLLAR Dec '07 16:14:53 78.195
-0.225 78.455 78.565 78.100

That's only .015 from record low. Tomorrow END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT :-)
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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!!(NEW ALL TIME LOW 78.267)

Postby PeakingAroundtheCorner » Tue 25 Sep 2007, 20:40:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Petrodollar', '.')..just an fyi re Iran, the dollar, euro and yen...

http://www.tradearabia.com/news/newsdet ... tid=130930

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Iran gets over 70pc oil income in non-US currencies
TradeAsia
09-25-2007

Iran has boosted the income it gets from crude oil sales in non-US dollar currencies to more than 70 percent, an oil official said.

A switch in payment by Nippon Oil and other Japanese refiners to yen has helped the Islamic Republic towards its goal of maximising oil revenue in currencies other than the dollar while the greenback stays weak.

Mohammad Ali Khatibi, deputy director of international affairs at the state oil company, told the oil ministry's official website Shana that some Japanese refiners have asked for more time to honour Tehran's request.

"Currently, over 70 percent of Iran's crude exports are based on euro and yen instead of dollar," said Khatibi.

For nearly two years, the world's fourth-biggest oil exporter has been reducing its exposure to the dollar, saying the weak US currency is eroding its purchasing power.


...hope that adds some context to the dollar's recent drop in value relative to the euro, and to a lessor degree, the yen... I'd watch the wildcards: Venezuela and Kuwait...


Iran is sooo going to get it!
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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!!(NEW ALL TIME LOW 78.195)

Postby Tyler_JC » Tue 25 Sep 2007, 20:49:44

Does anyone seriously believe that no one in the White House has taken an International Relations class before?

Invading other countries for resources doesn't work unless you can actually secure the resource!

And it's not even remotely conceivable (even for the most rampant Imperialist Neo-Conservatives) that the USA could fully secure Iraq's oil supply, let alone Iran's oil.

The Bush Administration isn't going to invade Iran. There is simply no workable plan for invasion. A limited air strike against a nuclear-processing facility, sure.

But an actual invasion?

We'd get crushed.

Iran's income comes from non-US currency because Americans don't purchase Iranian oil. China is Iran's biggest customer, followed by Japan.

Only a complete lunatic would cut off our largest trading partners (and financiers) from their energy supply for the sake of...what exactly? Another ruined ME country incapable of exporting enough oil to support itself?
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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!!(NEW ALL TIME LOW 78.195)

Postby roccman » Tue 25 Sep 2007, 21:01:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'D')oes anyone seriously believe that no one in the White House has taken an International Relations class before?

Invading other countries for resources doesn't work unless you can actually secure the resource!

And it's not even remotely conceivable (even for the most rampant Imperialist Neo-Conservatives) that the USA could fully secure Iraq's oil supply, let alone Iran's oil.

The Bush Administration isn't going to invade Iran. There is simply no workable plan for invasion. A limited air strike against a nuclear-processing facility, sure.

But an actual invasion?

We'd get crushed.

Iran's income comes from non-US currency because Americans don't purchase Iranian oil. China is Iran's biggest customer, followed by Japan.

Only a complete lunatic would cut off our largest trading partners (and financiers) from their energy supply for the sake of...what exactly? Another ruined ME country incapable of exporting enough oil to support itself?


Tyler - it has never been about stability...always about chaos...order through chaos...this is the plan.

Iraq has been a smashing success for TPTB.
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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!!(NEW ALL TIME LOW 78.195)

Postby Petrodollar » Wed 26 Sep 2007, 10:27:22

Tyler_JC wrote
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')nly a complete lunatic would cut off our largest trading partners (and financiers) from their energy supply for the sake of...what exactly? Another ruined ME country incapable of exporting enough oil to support itself?


Well, Tyler_JC, there is more than enough evidence to suggest that VP Cheney might be a "complete lunatic" (I am not kidding)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2127115,00.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Cheney pushes Bush to act on Iran

· Military solution back in favour as Rice loses out
· President 'not prepared to leave conflict unresolved'

July 17, 2007

The balance in the internal White House debate over Iran has shifted back in favour of military action before President George Bush leaves office in 18 months, the Guardian has learned.

(excerpt)...The vice-president, Dick Cheney, has long favoured upping the threat of military action against Iran. He is being resisted by the secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, and the defence secretary, Robert Gates.

...."Cheney has limited capital left, but if he wanted to use all his capital on this one issue, he could still have an impact," said Patrick Cronin, the director of studies at the International Institute for Strategic Studies. {like I said, Cheney is a parnoid, "double-high authoritarian," and a full-blown war-loving lunatic}

The Washington source said Mr Bush and Mr Cheney did not trust any potential successors in the White House, Republican or Democratic, to deal with Iran decisively. They are also reluctant for Israel to carry out any strikes because the US would get the blame in the region anyway.


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...please note that the US military hardware has been put in place...just as Col. Sam Gardiner (retired) has warned us for 3 years...(from the same Guardian article)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Almost half of the US's 277 warships are stationed close to Iran, including two aircraft carrier groups. The aircraft carrier USS Enterprise left Virginia last week for the Gulf. A Pentagon spokesman said it was to replace the USS Nimitz and there would be no overlap that would mean three carriers in Gulf at the same time.

No decision on military action is expected until next year. In the meantime, the state department will continue to pursue the diplomatic route.


...and here's an article from earlier this week that further supports that Cheney is pushing hard for a new war:

http://harpers.org/archive/2007/09/hbc-90001292

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Cheney’s New War Plans

September 24, 2007

(excerpt)

The notion that Israel would be used as a U.S. proxy in the launch of an air war against Iran is hardly far-fetched. Security experts in Israel now regularly state off-the-record that last year’s disastrously misplanned Lebanese campaign was timed and stage-managed by the White House, and that the impetus for it came from Vice President Cheney with the involvement of Elliott Abrams and David Wurmser. So the tactical notion of using Israel as the “tip of the spear,” which is frequently labeled by Middle East experts as lunatic, has a well established provenance. The real question, of course, is whether Cheney is the author of the president’s policy on Iran. If he is, then another war is on the horizon, no matter what the generals think.


....Unfortuantely, I give the odds of US air strikes against Iran sometime in 2008 as a 50/50 split. You are right about this...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')nly a complete lunatic would cut off our largest trading partners (and financiers) from their energy supply for the sake of...what exactly?

...Indeed, and any US airstrikes against Iran would be viewed by China as an attack on its energy supply - thus one of the first casualties of any such strike would be the US dollar - if this is not already happening in some fashion.

The second casualty of the war would be the US oil supply from Venezuela and other "displeased" oil-exporting states, who could immediately re-direct their exports to nations seen as less aggressive, such as China, India, Japan and the EU (none of whom are going to support overt US military action)

I won't speculate about the potential Iranian response (other than so say that the Iranian people would rally around their gov't, I doubt Israel would be attacked, or that the Straight of Hormuz would become completely closed to oil tanker traffic), but there are several ME experts who have stated that we would probably see a massive Shi'ia uprising in Iraq, thereby potentially cutting off the the US logisitcal/supply lines from Kuwait, and at that point you could see a replay of the chaotic "Vietnamesque helicopter pad evacuations" from within the Green zone.

In other words, the US economy could suffer such a combined monetary and energy crisis in the immediate aftermath of an attack on Iran that the American people would actually suffer from the blowback, not to mention a potential US military disaster of unparalleled proportions. These events would effectively end the US's status as a global superpower.

So, while a US-attack on Iran would be devestating to Iran's infastructure, some experts have proferred that in return the US military could suffer a devestating defeat in Iraq, not to mention a combined economic and energy crisis of massive proportions. So, let's all hope and pray that the Air Force generals would disobey any such illegal orders from the lunatics in the White House regarding any unprovoked air strikes against Iran during 2008....
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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!!(NEW ALL TIME LOW 78.195)

Postby roccman » Wed 26 Sep 2007, 11:36:02

US Dollar Hits an All Time Low; It Only Gets Worse

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he US dollar fell to a new all time low of 1.4154 against the Euro on the back of continued deterioration in the US economy. Traders and investors are selling dollars as the outlook for consumer spending becomes bleaker with each passing day. Consumer confidence dropped to a 2 year low in the month of September while sales of existing homes fell to a 5 year low. We are actually surprised that there wasn’t an even larger drop given the deterioration in the labor markets, tight credit conditions and rising energy prices. October is the month when subprime adjustable rate mortgage resets will hit a peak of $50 billion. This is the largest amount on record and suggests that the cycle of major subprime related losses at hedge funds and banks could begin once again.


"Could begin once again"??

Bwhahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahah!!!!!
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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!!(NEW ALL TIME LOW 78.195)

Postby Tyler_JC » Wed 26 Sep 2007, 11:45:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Petrodollar', '
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In other words, the US economy could suffer such a combined monetary and energy crisis in the immediate aftermath of an attack on Iran that the American people would actually suffer from the blowback, not to mention a potential US military disaster of unparalleled proportions. These events would effectively end the US's status as a global superpower.

So, while a US-attack on Iran would be devestating to Iran's infastructure, some experts have proferred that in return the US military could suffer a devestating defeat in Iraq, not to mention a combined economic and energy crisis of massive proportions. So, let's all hope and pray that the Air Force generals would disobey any such illegal orders from the lunatics in the White House regarding any unprovoked air strikes against Iran during 2008....


And this would benefit George Bush or Dick Cheney...how?

I'm sorry, I just don't see the logic.

If a couple of morons with a keyboard and an Ethernet cable (you and I) can figure this stuff out, surely the US State Department knows this too.
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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!!(NEW ALL TIME LOW 78.195)

Postby roccman » Wed 26 Sep 2007, 12:13:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ferrelgiraffe', 'O')oo, Oo, ooo! Teacher! Teacher!

Yes little ferrel?

This would cause the removal of the underpinnings of the monetary system causing destabilization of the economy (problem created) necessitating the leadership to appeal to the people (proposed solution) to pass more laws and develop a tighter control of the monetary system with super hyper micromanagement of every micron of our economy relegating total control to the powers that be to be able to instantly create digital credit and imaginary monetary manipulation (they dont even have to spend a dime printing pmoney!)
and PLUS they will get filthy rich selling and making bombs and war machinery as usual, PLUS they will inherit all the hard assets and land they have loaned money for with the impending collapse!


Teacher: Total takeover without war, Very good ferrel, come get your star.


Excellent FG!!!

Now onto the news...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he $US Dollar hit 78.21, versus the 1992 78.19 low, and closed at 78.32. This low will get taken out, as I have previously mentioned, and put significant pressure on the equity and bond markets, and make all of the gold holders very happy, not to mention the foreign countries that will be scooping up $US Dollar denominated real estate and corporate assets at a discount, because of the significant currency discrepancy. For those of you who trade foreign exchange, the next key $US Dollar levels for potential trading reversals are 76-77 then 72-73. The QQQQ +0.9% and $COMPX +0.6% had obvious positive divergences yesterday to the SPX -0.3%, and the internals, where the volume ratio was 41 and breadth -600. NYSE volume was almost unchanged at 1.33 billion shares. The sectors all finished on the minus side, underperforming the SPX, except for the $TRAN, which was +0.8% as crude oil declined, and the USO was -1.2%. The TLT ended the day at -0.4%. However, many of our focus list stocks geared to the mark up into the end of the quarter this Friday did well, such as, CMI, GD, HON, MSFT, UTX, HPQ, and NVDA, to name a few. The energy stocks are correcting after a significant parabolic spike up from August lows, but it is the leading sector and some of the major holdings might still get marked higher the next 3 days into the end of the quarter.


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Re: US$ DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!!(NEW ALL TIME LOW 78.195)

Postby Tyler_JC » Wed 26 Sep 2007, 13:31:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ferrelgiraffe', 'w')ow, that 800 million in gold bullion missing from under the buildings in new york ought to really appreciate!

It is amazing, some people are always in the right place at the right time.

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