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Where will WTI close on December 31st, 2005?

Poll ended at Tue 03 Jan 2006, 04:44:43

less than $60
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around $60
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around $65
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around $70
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more than $70
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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby MrBill » Fri 27 Jan 2006, 11:35:24

Just re-printing this here for completeness sake.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou may want to read this paper by the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco appropriated titled Do Oil Futures Prices Help Predict Future Oil Prices?

Quote:
Conclusion
Oil futures prices contain important information about future oil price movements, especially for the near term. In particular, taking into account the relationship between current spot and futures prices instead of considering only the raw futures price can significantly improve forecasting accuracy. Prediction errors, however, are still substantial, and accurately predicting the future price of oil seems as elusive as ever.





My thanks to Policy Pete who spotted this article and posted it to his pages which are another excellent source of information on energy markets in general.

Good luck and have a nice weekend. Cheers.
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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby MrBill » Mon 30 Jan 2006, 05:35:04

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· Nigerian president Olusegun Obasanjo refused to confirm whether a deal had been reached for the release of four hostages taken from a Shell platform.
· A Norwegian oil workers union threatened to go on strike June 1 if it received an adverse court ruling on the right to negotiate employment terms for 90 members. The action could have affected 1-mboed in oil and gas output. However the court ruled in the union’s favor so action was less likely.
· TNK-BP says the coldest Russian winter in 30 years is reducing oil output from some Siberian fields by up to 4%, thus reducing national output by as much as 1%. The cold weather began affecting operations Jan 6 and has been sporadic depending on the day.
· OPEC president Edmund Daukoru said he is comfortable with $60 oil and he believes the global economy can live with it. OPEC is committed to supplying the market “at a reasonable price.” But they can’t fix the price.
· Exxon Mobil Exploration president Tim Cejka expects global oil prices will fall because “the oil business is cyclic.”
· Petrologistics report Jan OPEC supply is unchanged from Dec at 29.6-mbpd with OPEC-10 supplies down 200,000-bpd to 27.9-mbpd due to problems in Nigeria and a dip in Iraq though a slight rise in Saudi output made up the shortfall.
· NYMEX has been authorized by UK regulators to start trading a mini Brent contract in London Feb 6. NYMEX also received approval from the US CFTC for electronic trading of European products.
· Intercontinental Exchange’s ICE futures received regulatory approval to list a WTI crude futures contract starting Feb 3.
· Statoil ASA’s Visund oil and gas field may be shut for up to six months following a major gas leak at the North Sea platform. 35,000-bpd in oil output was shut-in.
· Lukoil will cut fuel oil exports in February by a quarter or around 118,000-tons from 435,000-tons in January so as to meet local demand.
· Baker Hughes weekly rig count rose 15 from last week, up 231 year-on-year. Oil rigs down 10.

PERSPECTIVE: Political tensions in Nigeria and Iran as well as Hamas’ victory support crude oil in the upper-$60s while continued mild weather in the US tempers heating demand. US heating oil demand will remain below normal into early February and gasoline demand is flat while stocks are rising. Mar crude is supported at $66.95; resistance is at $68.10. Feb product expiry is on Tuesday. Mar heating oil is supported at $1.8200; resistance is at $1.8550. Mar gasoline is supported at $1.7750; resistance is at $1.8370.


Quite a pre-weekend rally with some follow through this morning, but in classic buy the rumor, sell the fact fashion, most of inpetus behind the rally are starting to unwind this morning.

Hostages released in Nigeria. Iran calling for more talks with the EU. EU considering delaying referal to the UN until March. Iran looking at Russian proposal in more depth. Most OPEC memebers calling for no cut in production in Q2'06. All leading to the conclusion that this market is well supplied at the moment and able to withstand any minor supply interuptions. That is not to say the rally is over and may not resume if and when other supply concerns hit the market. In the meantime, if you check-out the COT Charts you will see the commercials short in crude, unleaded and heating oil while quite neutral in nat gas. Call me old fashioned, but when there is nothing else to trade-off of, I prefer to go with the refiners and industry insiders rather than follow the hot money.

I sold March Brent this morning as WTI started breaking down. We have had 30-40 pts. follow through so far, but just a minor correction at the moment. As always, we shall wait to see what NY does when they come in. More selling or buying on dips.
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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby MrBill » Tue 31 Jan 2006, 12:26:04

Hmm, no research today. Sorry about that.

As for tomorrow's inventory forecasts here are what I have

Crude f/c unch'd at 319 mio bbls vs. 3 yr ave 280 mio bbls

Distillates f/c +0.5 mio to 137 mio bbls vs. 3 yr ave 118 mio

Unleaded f/c -0.7 mio to 214 mio bbls vs. 3 yr ave 211 mio

Refinery Runs f/c -0.5% to 85.7% vs. last yr 91.6%

and Thursday's

Nat Gas draws of -70 to -90 bcf vs. -193 bcf last yr and a 5 yr ave of -172 bcf

So, all in all, given less than 1.0 mio bbls swings in forecasts, and given healthy inventories over last year and the 3 year averages, I cannot imagine that stocks data will drive this market forward if over shadowed with events in Iran or Nigeria. On the otherhand, this should reinforce comments from OPEC that they will continue to pump at near record levels to keep markets well supplied. Given this, stocks should comfortably continue to build.

Today was a day of selling the rallies after last night's rally on news that Iran would be refered to the IAEA for possible sanctions. I did manage to get short at 66.60 in the March Brent and take a few points out of the downwards correction to 65.80, but was also fairly unlucky as well as two of my sell orders did not get done. In one case by 1 pip at 66.74 when my order was 66.75, and in another when we fell 4 pips short of 66.39 a little later. That is hard when the price then drops another 50-60 pts. Oh well, did make a little and the ideas were good, if not the execution. Tomorrow is another chance to hang myself. ; - )
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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby Chaparral » Tue 31 Jan 2006, 12:43:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', ' ') Oh well, did make a little and the ideas were good, if not the execution. Tomorrow is another chance to hang myself. ; - )


Heh..me too. I got skinned alive shorting gold & going long on March Soybeans yesterday. Made 1/4 of it back today tho..bought at 571 and sold at 575.
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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby Dukat_Reloaded » Tue 31 Jan 2006, 14:30:28

Yeah, don't short gold or silver, too risky, I said above, only go long, it's overbought and has been for along time, but it keeps going up. Shorting gold is trying to outsmart the market, going long is going with the market. What do you use to trade? are you using market makers CFD?
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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby MrBill » Wed 01 Feb 2006, 05:23:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ews:

· Iranian oil minister Kazem Vaziri-Hamaneh said oil exports wouldn’t be halted because of the dispute over its nuclear program. “We are not mixing politics with the economic decision on this issue.” The issue is expected to be referred to the UN Security Council now that Russia and China have agreed to join the US, UK, France and Germany in such a move at the Feb 2 meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency.

· OPEC ministers agreed to maintain output quotas at 28-mbpd in a unanimous decision Tuesday. The next ministerial meeting will be March 8th, where a cut could be considered.

· Saudi oil minister Ali Naimi believes oil prices stabilizing around $50-$60 would be “satisfactory” to producers, consumers and investors. Markets are currently tense on account of psychological factors, but OPEC will work to mitigate price fluctuations “from $40, to $50 to $70.” Arabia is producing 9.5-mbpd and is committed to a policy of maintaining 1.5-mbpd in spare capacity. Capacity will rise from 11-mbdp to 12.5-mbpd by 2009. It is seen at 11.3-mbpd in April.

· Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Ahmad Chalabi said oil output should average 1.57-mbpd this year and he expects $4 billion in investment in the oil industry. Production in the north is expected to rise by 350,000-bpd.

· Japan’s crude oil imports rose 7.6% in December to 22.05 million kiloliters following a 3.8% decline in November.

· Valero CEO Bill Klesse sees US supplies of refined products tight in Q2 due to heavy refinery maintenance. He said 6% of US refining capacity will be shut from Jan-Apr and 11% of US cat cracking capacity will be shutdown in March, tightening gasoline production. Valero plans throughput of around 3.1-mbpd at its 17 North American refineries in Q1. Refining news:

· Valero cut runs slightly at its 170,000-bpd Lima, OH refinery though the gasoline yield remains nearly the same. The high cost of incremental sweet crude was cited as the reason for the reduction.

· Shell is working to restart a 50,000-bpd catcracker at its 412,000-bpd Pernis refinery in Rotterdam that has been down for two weeks. Operations had to be reduced due to a fire on Jan 15.



Sorry wrote a longer commentary and answer to your post, but lost it when the site timed out. Darn. No time to re-write so will catch you later. Cheers.
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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby shakespear1 » Wed 01 Feb 2006, 05:54:47

Yes Mr. Bill, best to copy to Clipboard before posting. :) :) :)
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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby MrBill » Thu 02 Feb 2006, 06:38:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shakespear1', 'Y')es Mr. Bill, best to copy to Clipboard before posting. :) :) :)


To be honest, I may have accidently hit paste instead of copy and erased my own commentary while meaning to save it? Mistakes happen. Just like the headline yesterday by the Governor of West Virginia who announced all the coal mines in the US' second largest coal mining state would have to close for safety reasons, causing natural gas to spike 5% and oil to test $6900, before retracting his statement and saying only ''that mines had to re-evaluate their safety precautions before resuming mining.''

Quite a difference that made to a few P&L's yesterday. You had to be brilliant or just plain lucky to profit from a move that saw a 3% rally and a 4% decline within the space of two hours. Glad I made my money after the inventory numbers and left early for a meeting before the carnage that followed.

However, not so lucky this morning. Tried several times to get short, but missed my levels (and yes, I was out running an errand, when the price dropped 30-40 pts.), so I have yet to sell into these soft markets. However, the move yesterday should open the way for lower prices in the days to come sans Iran related headlines or other geopolitical supply worries.

In the Brent, a close below $6530 should lead to a test of $6410 and a target of $6300 where I shall be happy to sell my $6200 May PUTS if we see it this week or next? Lot's of time value left in them and the vols are high.
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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby MrBill » Fri 03 Feb 2006, 06:05:51

A huge move lower in the crude yesterday. I think a lot of bulls must have thrown in the towel. Will check the open interest story later. Mind you I feel like a dunce for missing the opportunity to sell not once, but twice. Rule number one should be 'in it to win it'. In otherwords, better to have a small position than none at all. My ideas were good, but completey useless if I put in sell orders above the market and they do not get filled. Better to sell some and add to the short on any rally. More discipline is needed. Oh well, at least the puts are worth a lot more now. I did a delta hedge on them this morning and will try to sell them later today when NY comes in. Not a bad result, but as usual it could have been better.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ews:

· The US won’t immediately seek sanctions against Iran following referral to the UN Security Council over the atomic program. US ambassador to the IAEA Greg Schulte said, “We are not now seeking sanctions or other punitive measures on Iran.”

· Iraqi oil exports fell to 1.09-mbpd in January, the lowest level since the post-war recovery because of bad weather, power interruptions and loading problems in the Persian Gulf. The State Oil Marketing Organization has had to defer 17.3 million barrels in crude from Jan to Feb in addition to the 32 million already scheduled for loading. Southern Iraqi output averaged 1.35-mbpd in Jan, down 100,000-bpd from December.

· Statoil won’t be ale to restart its 35,000-bpd Visund platform within the first quarter due to a design and material flaw in the gas flare tank.

· Oil Movements report OPEC exports rose 290,000-bpd to 25.22-mbpd in the four weeks through Feb 18. Typically at this time of year eastbound exports fall slightly, which hasn’t happened this year. Westbound shipments are rose.

Refinery news

· Conoco shut its 255,000-bpd Lake Charles, LA refinery following an explosion and fire late Wednesday.
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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby DantesPeak » Fri 03 Feb 2006, 11:26:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ere Come the Energy Exchange Traded Funds (ETFs)
by Charles Mackay, Friday February 03 2006
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posted Friday February 03, 12 12 AM ET

We are now more than three years into an energy bull market. It's therefore not surprising energy related investments are attracting more interest from investors. On Friday, February 3, one such new type of investment vehicle, DB Commodity Index Tracking Fund (DBC) will start trading on the American Stock Exchange.

The American Stock Exchange states that "The DB Commodity Index Tracking Fund is a commodity pool designed to track the performance of the Deutsche Bank Liquid Commodity Index-Excess Return." The index itself is formulated as follows: "The amount invested in each of the six commodity classes (the weighting) is pre-determined and reset annually as follows: 35% light, sweet crude oil, 20% heating oil, 12.5% aluminum, 11.25% corn, 11.25% wheat and 10% gold."


http://wallstreetexaminer.com/?itemid=2142

Please note that this kind of investment may not be suitable for all investors - read the fine print on this one. Presented for information purposes only - not a recomendation!
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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby MrBill » Fri 03 Feb 2006, 12:30:38

Thanks for that head's up on the DB ETF. I had seen the headline, but not read the story. It looks interesting for me. I want to also compare it to the AIG commodity index future on the CME (I think) to see which one is better to trade.

I have never traded ETFs, so all new to me. However, I am test driving an electronic platform from Dresdner Bank called Gator and it would allow me access to most futures & options on the EUREX/IPE/CME/CBOT/LME, but as far as I know, not the AMEX? Also, found an interesting broker trading platform called interactivebrokers.com, which also looks good, but I have not tested it. It may allow access to other exchanges? Their fees are low and a wide variety of markets to choose from.

As for today's markets. They seem to be hugging the lows here this afternoon. No appreciable bounces and what we have seen in terms of a correction has been aggressively sold into. I am a little long the futures against the my puts, which I was unable to sell (the price is lower than I had hoped for), so don't really know what to do here? I guess another emergency meeting on Iran scheduled for tomorrow, so worth holding the futures in case there is an event over the weekend.

In any case, have a nice weekend and speak to you next week. Cheers.
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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby truecougarblue » Fri 03 Feb 2006, 12:57:33

On the subject of ETFs, I like to use PXE. It has XOM as a major component with a bit more volatility.
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Unread postby MicroHydro » Fri 03 Feb 2006, 19:28:37

Looks like we are going into one of those damned periods that is neither a buying opportunity (too expensive) or a good profit taking opportunity (do you want to be out of the market if something extreme happens geopolitically?) So I guess I will have to sit out the declines like I did in the dreary bear months of October and November.
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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby drew » Fri 03 Feb 2006, 22:31:18

Yeah, Micro, I'm squirming too. I sold my gold shares just after xmas, thinking it was overbought. Sucks to be wrong that's for sure. Like you I am now sitting on the fence wondering my next move. I am feeling decidedly unsure, unlike the last year where I had no doubt of the validity of PO and thus stayed in the market. Having sold my gold, and energy too, I'm sitting on a lot of cash, at least for now, but it doesn't do well as an investment. Everyday I feel the siren call of the yellow metal; what will it do if a recession happens? Any thoughts wise sages???

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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby threadbear » Fri 03 Feb 2006, 23:25:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gang', 'Y')eah, don't short gold or silver, too risky, I said above, only go long, it's overbought and has been for along time, but it keeps going up. Shorting gold is trying to outsmart the market, going long is going with the market. What do you use to trade? are you using market makers CFD?



Mutual funds are just beginning to move into precious metals. They have to offer customers something that makes sense in an inflationary environment and the Dow is doing nothing but move sideways, housing is losing value. Overbought? It won't be overbought until it's at least 1000 an oz or higher.
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Unread postby drew » Fri 03 Feb 2006, 23:36:47

Threadbear, I was being stupid trying to daytrade the fund I was in. I thought the fund was overbought relative to gold and silver. If you are interested it is called 'central fund of canada'; its symbol is cef.nv.a on the tsx. It is supposed to trade as a percent of its actual holdings of gold and silver, and does to a certain degree. Of course it fluctuates too, which is where I made my mistake.....

Waaaaaa

Yes, I was watching kitco too....

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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby MrBill » Mon 06 Feb 2006, 05:17:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('truecougarblue', 'O')n the subject of ETFs, I like to use PXE. It has XOM as a major component with a bit more volatility.


Sorry I am not familar with the PXE? Well, if you want broad exposure to commodity prices you can also try such names as Cominco or BHP who have a very high beta to commodity prices. You can then use market timing to get in and out, assumebly to buy on dips if that is your strategy, without having to trade a fund which may be more difficult or expensive. As I said, I am looking at some exchange traded indices, but have not made any progress since Friday.

Iran kept us on our toes here. Market dipped to $6210 on the Brent and $63.90 on the WTI before rallying to $6450 and $66.70 respectively. Good movement. I was long. Sold some futures this morning when it looked like we might move lower on profit taking (i.e. buy the rumor/sell the fact) as Iran drags on and on and on like an Energizer bunny. Certainly the Muslim's world's answer to free speech was enough to keep the news channels full of disturbing images this weekend. Expect more geopolitical uncertainty/volatility going forward. However, balance any risk premium against fundamentals that are very bearish.

It is fine to talk about going with the underlying trend versus trying to short the market, but at the end of the day, commodity markets are always a product of supply & demand. At least precious metals can be stored for long periods of time, but oil is somewhat subject to several limiting factors. Wells online, pipeline capacity, refinery capacity, storage capactiy, having to keep refineries running, customer demand, etc. You can alter any of these variables overtime, but in the short term they are facts to be dealt with.

If the spot market gets oversupplied and storage is full then it is going to drag those nearby futures months down, and at a certain point in time forward future's months mirror the near future's month plus the cost of interest, insurance and storage. When you are at full-carry you are paying the physical producers to hold crude versus to sell it. If the market moves beyond full-carry it just results in excess profits for those who have the capacity to store oil. However, storage capacity is limited. And therefore, short of capping wells, there is only so much oil that can be purchased today in the spot market and carried forward to meet future demand. And when interest rates are rising and oil is already at $65 the cost of interest, insurance and storage is not neglible.

So you may think crude has only one way to go, and that is up, and in the long-term you may be right. However, the front months March, April, May, etc. are going to be governed by near-term supply & demand fundamentals, and storage versus refining dynamics, just as much as by geopolitical concerns affect our long-term view of where prices may eventually go?

If you are unsure about short term factors, but dead sure about long term fundamentals, then I can only suggest long dated, out of the money calls to express that view.


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· Iran warned it would no longer consider the Russian plan if its uranium enrichment plan were referred to the UN Security Council by the IAEA. The plan is for Russia to take over Iran’s nuclear program to prevent misuse.
· Apache expects production growth of 6-10% in 2006 after hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico kept its 2005 gain to 1.4% and held Q4 volumes below year-ago levels. Apache ended 2005 with proved reserves of 2.1-bln boe including 346-mln boe of additions. · Marathon Oil is raising its capital and exploration budget for 2006 by 13% to $3.4 billion. The E&P budget is $588 million, up $199 million from 2005.
· Bloomberg survey shows OPEC Jan oil output fell 200,000-bpd to 29.705-mbpd with OPEC-10 output down 180,000-bpd to 28.175-mbpd. Iraqi output fell 20,000-bpd to 1.53-mbpd. Saudi output was down 30,000-bpd to 9.49-mbpd.
· Baker Hughes weekly rig count up 26, up 265 on the year. Oilrigs were down 40.

Refinery news
· Chalmette Refining shut the cat cracker at its 190,000-bpd LA refinery though it wasn’t clear whether the outage was planned or due to recent storms and tornadoes.
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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby houlbt » Mon 06 Feb 2006, 06:54:52

Good post today Bill with which I could not agree more. The fundamentals at the front are finally beginning to show - particularly evident in the weakening spreads and I've taken the view this morning that this is a rally to sell.
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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby Doly » Mon 06 Feb 2006, 08:50:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', '
')If you are unsure about short term factors, but dead sure about long term fundamentals, then I can only suggest long dated, out of the money calls to express that view.


And what are "long dated out of the money calls" in plain English?
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Unread postby houlbt » Mon 06 Feb 2006, 08:52:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', '
')If you are unsure about short term factors, but dead sure about long term fundamentals, then I can only suggest long dated, out of the money calls to express that view.


And what are "long dated out of the money calls" in plain English?


Options to buy Crude at some point way in the future (hence long dated... say Dec 2008 or 2009) at a price above where it is valued now (hence out of the money... say $70 or $75... where Dec08 Wti futures are currently about $67)
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