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Where will WTI close on December 31st, 2005?

Poll ended at Tue 03 Jan 2006, 04:44:43

less than $60
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around $60
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around $65
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around $70
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more than $70
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Total votes : 72

Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby MrBill » Wed 22 Feb 2006, 04:55:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('miniTAX', 'T')hank you Daryl & seahorse2 for your kind attention and your comments.
Maybe I will let Mr Bill (if he had some spare time) has his say about the link before giving my impressions.
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I guess I pretty much agree with Daryl and Seahorse. In the internet you will always find someone who is willing to write what you want to read. I can build a very persuasive case if I selectively use public sources of information and intentionally reach the wrong conclusions.

The price of oil is going to $70 in March because of the nuclear stand-off between the US & Iran over their nuclear ambitions; Shell and other oil companies exiting Nigeria, due to unrest there; pipeline sabotage in N. Iraq; terrorist attacks on oil infrastructure; Chinese growth at 10%; Asian growth above trend; and some OPEC members are calling for a 1 mbpd cut in supply for Q2'06; etc.

The price of oil is going to $50 in March because inventories of crude are 10% above 5-year averages; distillate is 27% above average; we have seen gasoline builds above trend for the past 7-weeks; and a mild winter have reduced demand for heating oil and natural gas. Plus new fuel standards are being implemented, so refiners are taking downtime to prepare for the summer driving season and the new standards, so they will be taking less crude, exacerbating a supply glut caused by OPEC not wanting to cut Q2'06 supply in response to high geopolitical tensions; etc.

All those facts are true. But by selectively giving you those facts, and filtering out any facts that are inconvenient, I can give you a completely different set of conclusions.

The IOB will not see the light of day on March 21st, one month away from today. Then the revisionists will be busy explaining that it is inevitable if not for US/Israeli threats against Iran, and a whole raft of excuses why their particular pet theory did not come to pass this time.

As for the M3, I am simply not aware of the details, as I mentioned above, but at the end of the day, it is confidence in the US dollar. Again, I can point out some reasons why I am nervous about the US economy and the US dollar, and I can give some reasons why the US dollar is at 1.1900 today and not 1.4500.

I think the fact is the dollar is stronger today than it was at this time last year and that the forward market (foreign exchange, Libor rates, IRS & FRAs swap curves) are pricing in stability in the future. So again, who are you going to believe? The hundred of thousands of paid financial experts who make their living correctly predicting and trading financial markets or a couple of armchair conspirists who have nothing better to do?

Why would a French money market trader or an Syrian banker have any interest to prop up the US dollar or US economy? If they could make money shorting US assets they would certainly do so. I have nothing against America per se (except their arrogance and unilateralism), but I certainly would not hesitate to buy euros and sell dollars if I thought it made sense. As it is, I am hedged on my currency exposure because as far as I am concerned the jury is still out on future moves in the dollar. Keep watching this space. ; - )
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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby MrBill » Wed 22 Feb 2006, 10:01:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('miniTAX', 'D')ear Mr Bill,
Here is the article I was talking about :
http://www.tiesweb.org/dialogues/incorr ... eri56.php3

May I let you read it so you can give me your feelings about it ?
Many thanks in advance.



With regards to US M3 data it seems the BOJ is also having trouble keeping track of their yen?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Where Liquidity Begins

There are two reasons Japan's rate outlook is a huge story for global markets. One, yields in the biggest government debt market will head steadily higher for the first time in more than a decade. Two, it may mean the end of the so-called yen-carry trade.

``All liquidity starts in Japan, the world's largest creditor country,'' said Jesper Koll, chief economist for Japan at Merrill Lynch & Co. ``When rates go up here, rates go up everywhere.''

What makes the carry trade so worrisome is that nobody really knows how big it is. For example, the BOJ has no credible intelligence on how many hedge funds, investors and companies have borrowed cheaply in ultra-low-interest-rate yen and re-invested the funds in higher-yielding assets elsewhere.

Nor are the Bank for International Settlements, Federal Reserve Bank of New York or the International Monetary Fund likely to know how much leverage this most popular of trades has enabled banks to build up. Ditto for regulators overseeing the dealings of portfolio mangers around the globe.


Japan's Boom May Explode Yen-Carry Trade:


And you guys were worried about the euro? Silly rabbits. Trix is the yen.
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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby MrBill » Wed 22 Feb 2006, 10:26:42

Okay, so finally got around to read this article.

Of course, it makes no mention of Mr. Chirac's and the EU3's insistance that Iran should be refered to the UN due its non-compliance of the NPT. Right there you start with the tactic of ignoring inconvenient facts.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f this Alarm is so precise, it is that LEAP/E2020’s analyses concluded that all possible scenarios now lead to one single result: we collectively approach a "historical node" which is henceforth inevitable whatever the action of international or national actors. At this stage, only a direct and immediate action on the part of the US administration aimed at preventing a military confrontation with Iran on the one hand, and at giving up the idea to monetarise the US foreign debt on the other hand, could change the course of events. For LEAP/E2020 it is obvious that not only such actions will not be initiated by the current leaders in Washington, but that on the contrary they have already chosen "to force the destiny" by shirking their economic and financial problems at the expense of the rest of the world. European governments in particular should draw very quickly all the conclusions from this fact.



Here they leave themselves two outs. One, the US does not initiate a military confrontation with Iran, and two, the US does not monetize their debt.

"Our March 20th, 2006, prediction was not incorrect, the US backed down, and Iran decided for 'technical reasons' to delay the opening of the IOB",
and then they will give another date in the not too distant future and the game will begin again.

Also, the euro was already $1.3500 last year, so calling for the dollar to collapse to $1.3000 from $1.2000 in 2006 (+/-10%) is not much of a prediction? I am old enough to remember the dollar dropping 700 pfennings in one afternoon thank you very much. By the time 2007 rolls around everyone will have forgotten about their $1.7000 predictions as a whole new set of assumptions will allow them to change their forecasts.

There is one event on the horizon and I am watching it very closely. Human to human transmission of the bird flu virus. If that takes off in Asia, all bets are off. The price of oil will drop so far, so fast, that we will forget all about Iran and the IOB for the next decade or so. It will make the Asian Crisis in 1998 look like a dress rehearsal in global financial contagion.
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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby Daryl » Wed 22 Feb 2006, 10:45:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', ' ')I am old enough to remember the dollar dropping 700 pfennings in one afternoon thank you very much.


My favorite was the day after the Dow Jones crash in '87. I'm sitting there at 7AM and the 30 treasury bond changes price on my screen - up 5 whole points! Must have been a half percent move in the yield. I'm kind of rubbing my eyes and polishing my screen, but it wouldn't go away. So I look over at the government bond trading desk, which was right behind me. They're all over in a meeting about 50 yards away. I'm thinking, well, I guess I ought to say something, when they break up and all start walking back over to their desk. Well, at that point why should I get involved? Pretty funny, they all just stood and stared for about 10 seconds with their mouths open. Nobody said anything (pretty remarkable since most of the time they couldn't shut up), they just sat down and started trading.
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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby MrBill » Wed 22 Feb 2006, 11:53:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daryl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', ' ')I am old enough to remember the dollar dropping 700 pfennings in one afternoon thank you very much.


My favorite was the day after the Dow Jones crash in '87. I'm sitting there at 7AM and the 30 treasury bond changes price on my screen - up 5 whole points! Must have been a half percent move in the yield. I'm kind of rubbing my eyes and polishing my screen, but it wouldn't go away. So I look over at the government bond trading desk, which was right behind me. They're all over in a meeting about 50 yards away. I'm thinking, well, I guess I ought to say something, when they break up and all start walking back over to their desk. Well, at that point why should I get involved? Pretty funny, they all just stood and stared for about 10 seconds with their mouths open. Nobody said anything (pretty remarkable since most of the time they couldn't shut up), they just sat down and started trading.




I was a little too young and naive to remember that one properly. I was trading commodity futures on the CBOT and I know it was a dark day, but as I had no skin in the game, I did not give it too much thought. I know that those days changed Cargill quite a lot though. They stopped trading a lot of unrelated markets between 1987 and 1991 after a series of big losses in non-core markets.

Naturally, such events were a wake-up on the risk management side as well. I remember when I started trading foreign exchange, they made no distinction between a spot and forward positions, so I used to run huge cross currency forward positions, but my net position was flat. We didn't even share our financials with our banks in those days. Our attitude was, we're so big, if you do not want to trade with us, tough. Can you imagine punting $600 million with no formal credit line in place?

No wonder some of those early blow-ups were so severe. We had no idea of the risks we were running. And everyone was running them. Now risk management and compliance run the show and the traders tow the line or they're gone á la Nick Leeson.
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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby Daryl » Wed 22 Feb 2006, 14:53:12

Oh you were at Cargill? Aren't they still the largest private corp in US? Yep, never gave out financials, I remember. Still, they are Rock of Gibralter compared to the positions that hedge funds throw around. Just a couple of doofs sitting in a room trading billion dollar positions on 100% leverage. The worst I saw was when I worked at one of the investment banks. We had this Arab client with just a couple of million bucks of margin on deposit. He's tossing around 80 and 90 million dollar positions, calling you at night drunk on his cellphone, can't speak English etc. Trading options, too. I have lunch with this guy one day and he asks me, "So, what is Volatility, anyway?" I almost spit up on him. Later I realized he was setting me up. Probably was taping the whole thing. When these guys blow up really bad, they sue their trading counterparties, claiming they are naive investors fooled into trading sophisticated financial instruments they don't really understand.
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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby miniTAX » Thu 23 Feb 2006, 02:51:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daryl', '
')Laboratoire européen d’Anticipation Politique Europe

Can you find any examples of correct predictions this organization has made in the past?

Daryl, you are sharp as usual. The first thing I did is to check the credentials of the author and the institute. It's has no fax, no phone number and no reference from mass media. It's staff is supposedly made of ... 1 person, that is the author himself. Nothing to say more.
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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby miniTAX » Thu 23 Feb 2006, 03:01:37

Mr Bill,
Thank you for your views. I share your points and to me, there is no need to say more about this article. Made me bad that people get involved in such a fad.
Anyway, it was good to learn from your experience.
Maybe I will go to Iran for some vacation day on the Iranian new year next March with an Iranian friend. Life is seemingly lovely there for men (and less lovely for women). As a French, I find a little advantage here to be of a country usually friend of tyrannies :-D
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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby MrBill » Thu 23 Feb 2006, 03:35:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('miniTAX', 'M')r Bill,
Thank you for your views. I share your points and to me, there is no need to say more about this article. Made me bad that people get involved in such a fad.
Anyway, it was good to learn from your experience.
Maybe I will go to Iran for some vacation day on the Iranian new year next March with an Iranian friend. Life is seemingly lovely there for men (and less lovely for women). As a French, I find a little advantage here to be of a country usually friend of tyrannies :-D




I used to have some friends from Iran that moved to Ottawa after the Shaw was disposed. Lovely people. A few ex-colleagues who were Iranian. Same. Decent people. Hard to believe that places like Tehran, Baghdad and Beirut used to be pearls in the Middle East. World class universities. Centers of learning and culture. A real shame what religious fanaticism can do. Exactly why countries like France try to keep a separation between church and state (no exceptions for Muslims or Catholics).

My beef is never with the people of these countries. People are people. Some bad, mostly good. Some lazy, mostly hard working and earnest. However, I freely take aim at governments and their poor performance. The more repressive and tyrannical the more I criticise them.

Although you can find bad governance in democracies, too. I take exception to America's two party state. I think it is a poor model. It polarizes the electorate. You are either for us or against us. It makes compromise very hard and at the end of the day voters are left with equally bad choices. It also increases the power of lobbies and special interest groups that can promise to deliver blocks of voters.

A multi-patry democracy is more robust and more accountable to the electorate. However, as I cannot vote in these countries, I can only vote with my wallet. If they stink, I sell them. If I cannot sell them, at least I do not invest in them. Undermining governments and second guessing central banks keeps them at least a little honest.
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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby MrBill » Thu 23 Feb 2006, 03:45:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daryl', ' ')Trading options, too. I have lunch with this guy one day and he asks me, "So, what is Volatility, anyway?" I almost spit up on him. Later I realized he was setting me up. Probably was taping the whole thing. When these guys blow up really bad, they sue their trading counterparties, claiming they are naive investors fooled into trading sophisticated financial instruments they don't really understand.



Yes, it is a real scam that sophisticated investors like Orange County can use leverage to make themselves look good and get bigger performance bonuses, but when it all blows up, they blame it on their lack of understanding of complicated financial instruments forced on them by their investment banks. What a cop out.

Used to deal with quite a few Blue Chip companies when I was a customer dealer on the FX desk. They were always super aggressive and big know it alls. One day we sponsored a client day and let them deal interbank in a closed game. What a riot. When the market was going off and they were getting four calls at the same time they didn't know whether to stand-up, sit down or flee the room. And all in a controlled environment with only funny money at stake. I remember one guy, a particularly nasty customer on the phone, who just seized up. Just stopped quoting in the middle of the game. Was quite funny. These guys were just big bullies and they used their aggressiveness to hide their insecurity and lack of understanding of how markets really worked.
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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby Daryl » Thu 23 Feb 2006, 08:47:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('miniTAX', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daryl', '
')Laboratoire européen d’Anticipation Politique Europe

Can you find any examples of correct predictions this organization has made in the past?

Daryl, you are sharp as usual. The first thing I did is to check the credentials of the author and the institute. It's has no fax, no phone number and no reference from mass media. It's staff is supposedly made of ... 1 person, that is the author himself. Nothing to say more.


In other words, JUNC (Just Another Nut Case)
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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby Daryl » Thu 23 Feb 2006, 10:45:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', '[') I remember one guy, a particularly nasty customer on the phone, who just seized up. Just stopped quoting in the middle of the game. Was quite funny. These guys were just big bullies and they used their aggressiveness to hide their insecurity and lack of understanding of how markets really worked.


I would have paid money to watch that.
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Re: Traders' Corner

Unread postby MrBill » Fri 24 Feb 2006, 17:00:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daryl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', '[') I remember one guy, a particularly nasty customer on the phone, who just seized up. Just stopped quoting in the middle of the game. Was quite funny. These guys were just big bullies and they used their aggressiveness to hide their insecurity and lack of understanding of how markets really worked.


I would have paid money to watch that.



The buy side is the easy side. Traders take risk. Market makers take the risk no one else wants. Had dinner last night with the guys from RBC (LDN & TO). Lot's of laughs over the good ol' days. Thought of you.

By the way, permission to open my funds. Good news. Something new, something challenging. Will keep you up to date. Today was a hard one. Was a holiday. Long calls. Long the unleaded against the crude. Long the WTI against the Brent. Basically, up quite a bit in the flat price on the bombings in SA, but WTI up 3.4% and unleaded only up 0.4% due to change in standards and the phasing out of the HU contract for the RBOB. So, two out of three contracts were okay today, but the unleaded is hurting me a little. The general knowledge is there. The specific expertise hurts me sometimes. The crack spreads are really for insiders and I should leave them alone. Have a good weekend. Cheers.
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