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Re: None of you will likely survive the worst

Unread postby MadScientist » Wed 21 Jul 2004, 09:26:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenClicker', 'O')ne thing I have noted about this site is that most posters are urban. Most posters are short sighted, so they reach conclusions like store a years worth of food and then "I will be a survivor". Most posters are young, hence unworldly as was I at that stage in life.
First of all, I would say that this oil shortage will develop in what those with an overview regard as slow motion. The likelyhood of hoards evacuating the baren cities into the source of food countryside is hot a likelyhood until late in the development of this pox upon mankind.
At first, people will stay with what they have, and that will be their homes. It will be too late when most decide to venture out rather than to seek a source of necessities. It is only then where the Mad Max idea will come into play, and at that point the superiority of both firepower and strategy will favor the country geek. If you think that you will gravitate to what you need and somehow secure it, then you are a yeast about to expire.
As a venture into the future, I would estimate that most of the posters on this site are evolutionary dead ends, more intent on expressing their mental energy than making a place for themselves and their progeny.

good post. "expressing mental energy" is not an evolutionary dead end. There's a reason we have a big brain to feed. Expressing (and consuming other people's) mental energy is an integral part of being human. For some of us, expressing mental energy is part of "making a place".
I think your point was that most people here are in perpetual "discussion" phase of PO awareness. And with that I agree.
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Re: None of you will likely survive the worst

Unread postby RIPSmithianEconomics » Wed 21 Jul 2004, 11:42:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenClicker', 'O')ne thing I have noted about this site is that most posters are urban. Most posters are short sighted, so they reach conclusions like store a years worth of food and then "I will be a survivor". Most posters are young, hence unworldly as was I at that stage in life.

First of all, I would say that this oil shortage will develop in what those with an overview regard as slow motion. The likelyhood of hoards evacuating the baren cities into the source of food countryside is hot a likelyhood until late in the development of this pox upon mankind.

At first, people will stay with what they have, and that will be their homes. It will be too late when most decide to venture out rather than to seek a source of necessities. It is only then where the Mad Max idea will come into play, and at that point the superiority of both firepower and strategy will favor the country geek. If you think that you will gravitate to what you need and somehow secure it, then you are a yeast about to expire.

As a venture into the future, I would estimate that most of the posters on this site are evolutionary dead ends, more intent on expressing their mental energy than making a place for themselves and their progeny.


"Thank god you live in the country Johnston, you should see how congested the city is getting" - Weird Irish alcoholic Leprechaun helicopter pilot in Day Of The Dead.

That has actually made me a little bit happier about living in the countryside and even happy about working on a farm (an unusual weekend job.)
There'll be war, there'll be peace
But one day all things shall cease
All the iron turned to rust
All the proud men turned to dust
So all things time will mend
So this song will end
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Unread postby Pops » Wed 21 Jul 2004, 11:53:00

“Perpetual discussion phase”

Put that way, I guess I will have to agree.
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
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Unread postby Cool Hand Linc » Wed 21 Jul 2004, 15:00:35

K_simlar,
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') am currently practicing the ultimate form of contraception, known as abstinence. It is proven very effective so far, and I suspect it will continue to be effective. The last time I checked, self pleasure cannot lead to pregnancy.


I thought abstinence was doing nothing! That includes not jerkin your gerkin! If your in love with rosey 5 fingers, Thats not abstinence. It doesn't matter how much money you make. Keep right on practicing to be effective though. Evolution has funny ways.

We maybe practicing intellectually here or as you say "the Discussion Phase". One concept of intellect is that if it is shared. The knowledge of the individuals grows. If one is to prepare for a future problem. Having knowledge of that issue can help speed to the correct actions to taken when action must be taken. Yes we do practice intellectual sharing at whatever level it presents itself.
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Unread postby IronSheik » Thu 22 Jul 2004, 00:19:49

IronSheik wonders "what in the name of the seven sands" has happened to this post?
From: "Kill them all!" To: "Jerkin da gerkin"

Throw in some: "I hate kids" Add in: "Rosey and her five sisters" This post is going south in a fruit basket.

IronSheik thinks many are maybe in the shallow end of the gene pool. But fear not! IronSheik has all answers and will impart his wisdom at his whim. In fact here is some now.
Number one rule: Be honest with yourself. It matters not what beliefs, opinions, ideals, hatreds etc. that you have as long as they are yours and you are true to them.

If there is something you think you should be doing, then do it!
If there is something you think you should be doing and you do not do it, then you fail.

Do not be weak and unfit. Be strong and proud like IronSheik. IronShiek has many lamps. He can let them go cheap! Let me know
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Unread postby Soft_Landing » Thu 22 Jul 2004, 03:09:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IronShiek', 'I')ronShiek has many lamps. He can let them go cheap! Let me know

If IronShiek had as much Oil as he does Lamps, It wouldn't cost me $40 a barrel! :wink: Don't buy those lamps guys, it's a scam! :P

Back OT. All of us is you. Even if the peak oil dates etc. are spot on, the precise predictions about the future being made here are, well, a lot of variation exists within. The future is fundamentally unpredictable in detail and by locality, yet your survival will turn upon those details in your locality.

Maybe people here who are aware of these ideas improve their chances of survival through the coming years by 0.1% Those who get off their arses and actually prepare may garner 0.5% of kudos points from that greater pie in the sky.

On an evolutionary scale, those extra chance of survival percentages are HUGE. But amoung friends, we are all in the boat, and it is sinking. On an individual scale, do you want to hang your hat on a 0.5% greater chance of survival than your neighbour?

To all reading this, I wish you the best. But I think one of the best things you can do to help yourself is to remember that even if you prepare fully, you are still the you of this post.
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Unread postby Ayoob » Fri 23 Jul 2004, 10:48:12

Maybe people here who are aware of these ideas improve their chances of survival through the coming years by 0.1% Those who get off their arses and actually prepare may garner 0.5% of kudos points from that greater pie in the sky.

On an evolutionary scale, those extra chance of survival percentages are HUGE. But amoung friends, we are all in the boat, and it is sinking. On an individual scale, do you want to hang your hat on a 0.5% greater chance of survival than your neighbour? Hell yes I do. I'll do whatever I can to get an extra percent. Can I have yours?
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Unread postby OilBurner » Fri 23 Jul 2004, 10:49:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'C')an I have yours?

Over my dead body!! :twisted:
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Unread postby Aaron » Fri 23 Jul 2004, 10:57:41

I like the quote from Tremors:
"We won't last three days!" "Yeah, but I wanna live for those three days!"
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Unread postby Josephus » Fri 17 Sep 2004, 19:14:36

Getting back to the point of this thread-I'll do the best I can. I think that's all any of us can do. Whether we choose to prepare by stockpiling food, water, and munitions in a cabin on the lake or decide to wait until the last minute and go out in the streets and fight for it. Some will make it, some won't but we'll all have done the best we could have at the time. Not necessarily as much as we could have given how much we've know and for how long. But it's not like we weren't warned.
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Unread postby Matrim » Sun 19 Sep 2004, 01:35:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')t times, yes. I do not believe that any possible personal growth is worth all the expense, worry, hassle, and endless suffering


You know a couple years ago I would probably have agreed 100%.

Now, less than a month from my daughters first birthday I know how wrong I was. Having a baby is the coolest thing in the world, and I don't care if I sound like a sap.

That said, children do irritate some people, and it's really sad when those people have kids. I've seen a lot of parents that looked like they were ready to kill their kids, literally, over pretty small things. If you are one of these people, don't have kids. Also if you believe in Die-off I suppose you probably shouldn't have kids. I'm going for the colony route myself, having one more in January. We'll start a new royal family of Saskatchewan post-peak, rest assured I'll train them well. :lol:
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 19 Sep 2004, 03:47:28

I'm a gunowner.
I may die, but alot of people will die before me.

Do whatchya gotta do man. 8)
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Unread postby k_semler » Thu 23 Sep 2004, 13:35:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hawkcreek', 'H')as anyone done any thinking about proper procedures and protocol for slave owning?? I wouldn't want to get it wrong.

Read Leviticus and Deuteronomy. There are guidelines in these two books of the bible for almost every aspect of life. Even FIFO, (First in, First Out), food rotation is covered in Leviticus.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '2')6:10 And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new.

Feeding of the hungry, not excessive hoarding.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')9:9 And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest.
19:10 And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather [every] grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I [am] the LORD your God.

Procedure for leaving land in fallow.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')25:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land which I give you, then shall the land keep a sabbath unto the LORD.
25:3 Six years thou shalt sow thy field, and six years thou shalt prune thy vineyard, and gather in the fruit thereof;
25:4 But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard.
25:5 That which groweth of its own accord of thy harvest thou shalt not reap, neither gather the grapes of thy vine undressed: [for] it is a year of rest unto the land.
25:6 And the sabbath of the land shall be meat for you; for thee, and for thy servant, and for thy maid, and for thy hired servant, and for thy stranger that sojourneth with thee,
25:7 And for thy cattle, and for the beast that [are] in thy land, shall all the increase thereof be meat.

Basic sanitation is also covered.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '5'):2 Or if a soul touch any unclean thing, whether [it be] a carcase of an unclean beast, or a carcase of unclean cattle, or the carcase of unclean creeping things, and [if] it be hidden from him; he also shall be unclean, and guilty.
5:3 Or if he touch the uncleanness of man, whatsoever uncleanness [it be] that a man shall be defiled withal, and it be hid from him; when he knoweth [of it], then he shall be guilty.
Fraud, and reimbursment for the crime of fraud is also covered.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '6'):2 If a soul sin, and commit a trespass against the LORD, and lie unto his neighbour in that which was delivered him to keep, or in fellowship, or in a thing taken away by violence, or hath deceived his neighbour;
6:3 Or have found that which was lost, and lieth concerning it, and sweareth falsely; in any of all these that a man doeth, sinning therein:
6:4 Then it shall be, because he hath sinned, and is guilty, that he shall restore that which he took violently away, or the thing which he hath deceitfully gotten, or that which was delivered him to keep, or the lost thing which he found,
6:5 Or all that about which he hath sworn falsely; he shall even restore it in the principal, and shall add the fifth part more thereto, [and] give it unto him to whom it appertaineth, in the day of his trespass offering.
Basic food sanitation is also covered.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '7'):23 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Ye shall eat no manner of fat, of ox, or of sheep, or of goat.
7:24 And the fat of the beast that dieth of itself, and the fat of that which is torn with beasts, may be used in any other use: but ye shall in no wise eat of it.
7:25 For whosoever eateth the fat of the beast, of which men offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, even the soul that eateth [it] shall be cut off from his people.
7:26 Moreover ye shall eat no manner of blood, [whether it be] of fowl or of beast, in any of your dwellings.
7:27 Whatsoever soul [it be] that eateth any manner of blood, even that soul shall be cut off from his people.
It is also stated not to indulge in alcohol immediatly before church.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')0:9 Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: [it shall be] a statute for ever throughout your generations
Regulations for sexual engangements and marrages.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')18:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
18:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am the LORD your God.
18:3 After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances.
18:4 Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I [am] the LORD your God.
18:5 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I [am] the LORD.
18:6 None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover [their] nakedness: I [am] the LORD.
18:7 The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she [is] thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
18:8 The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it [is] thy father's nakedness.
18:9 The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, [whether she be] born at home, or born abroad, [even] their nakedness thou shalt not uncover.
18:10 The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, [even] their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs [is] thine own nakedness.
18:11 The nakedness of thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy father, she [is] thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
18:12 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister: she [is] thy father's near kinswoman.
18:13 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister: for she [is] thy mother's near kinswoman.
18:14 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, thou shalt not approach to his wife: she [is] thine aunt.
18:15 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter in law: she [is] thy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
18:16 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it [is] thy brother's nakedness.
18:17 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; [for] they [are] her near kinswomen: it [is] wickedness.
18:18 Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex [her], to uncover her nakedness, beside the other in her life [time].
18:19 Also thou shalt not approach unto a woman to uncover her nakedness, as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness.
18:20 Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her.
18:21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through [the fire] to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I [am] the LORD.
18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.
18:23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it [is] confusion.
18:24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
18:25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
18:26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit [any] of these abominations; [neither] any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
18:27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which [were] before you, and the land is defiled;)
18:28 That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that [were] before you.
18:29 For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit [them] shall be cut off from among their people.
18:30 Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that [ye] commit not [any one] of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I [am] the LORD your God.
Don't turn your daughter into a little whore, nor be her pimp.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')9:29 Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a whore; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.
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Unread postby Aaron » Thu 23 Sep 2004, 13:53:26

Leviticus seems preoccupied with nakedness. Not that there's anything wrong with that. [smilie=besos.gif]
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Unread postby k_semler » Thu 23 Sep 2004, 14:14:21

:lol: [smilie=love10.gif] [smilie=book1.gif] [smilie=adora.gif] [smilie=angel7.gif] [smilie=love8.gif] [smilie=XXspermy.gif]
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Lets assume for a minute your a terrorist.

Unread postby Specop_007 » Fri 12 Nov 2004, 09:29:06

What weapon would you use?
I'm partial to the AK-74 myself.
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Unread postby Deleterius » Fri 12 Nov 2004, 09:40:28

lol, what kind of terror act can u do with a single ak74 ? hold a Burger tower and shoot at sight ? .....

what IS a terrorist for u ? and what is Terrorism nowadays?




''Lets assume for a minute your a terrorist.''

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i dont have to ask that question to myself now ...GW bush answered it for me '' There is no neutral ground ... you are with us or against us ... etc ''
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Re: Lets assume for a minute your a terrorist.

Unread postby Jack » Fri 12 Nov 2004, 09:42:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'W')hat weapon would you use?
I'm partial to the AK-74 myself.


It depends on the work I wanted to do. A suppressed .22 cal rifle - especially one that could be disassembled easily - could be useful. On the other hand, a good bolt action rifle in 7.62 NATO - with, say, a 3-9X scope - could have benefits.
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Re: Lets assume for a minute your a terrorist.

Unread postby Specop_007 » Fri 12 Nov 2004, 09:44:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'W')hat weapon would you use?
I'm partial to the AK-74 myself.


It depends on the work I wanted to do. A suppressed .22 cal rifle - especially one that could be disassembled easily - could be useful. On the other hand, a good bolt action rifle in 7.62 NATO - with, say, a 3-9X scope - could have benefits.


Your a terrorist man, you cant use NATO rounds. You can however use a 7.62x54R if you like.
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Unread postby Agren » Fri 12 Nov 2004, 10:54:26

A Soviet era briefcase-sized nuclear weapon might be my choice
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