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Unread postby Pops » Sat 17 Jul 2004, 11:58:34

[laughing my butt off at Aaron]

You have way too much imagination for Saturday morning!
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Unread postby Aaron » Sat 17 Jul 2004, 12:06:17

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The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Unread postby Itch » Sat 17 Jul 2004, 15:44:29

I'll end up foraging for food, probably eating mostly bugs, and dig holes in the ground in an attempt to find groundwater. I'll eventually die of some disease within a year. Of course, I have a moderately secure to run to, and I'll be picking up my first gun on the 26th.
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eat quitely

Unread postby Cool Hand Linc » Sun 18 Jul 2004, 02:58:03

I will eat my food I have stashed back very quitely. :D Go on starvation rations. :) Keep my guns handy at all times. :o Then become a cannibal........ 8O
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Unread postby Bud Dwyer » Sun 18 Jul 2004, 08:47:43

Accepting my death, I'd paint some crazy spots. I'll catch reck on top of the golden gate bridge, the very top. And I'll write up all my hommies. Maybe even jump off.
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Unread postby Soft_Landing » Sun 18 Jul 2004, 11:22:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'I') understand that soft landing has a fully stocked yacht which is ripe for the pickin...


All who come may board my yacht, and there will more than enough for everyone.

Do not doubt me, my children, for we shall all become Breatharians. Do not listen to those silly folk who refuse to believe. If we lovingly bind our spirits, maybe we can save the world from die-off too...

Oh, my yacht is fully stocked alright... fully stocked with love, and joy, an...
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Unread postby RIPSmithianEconomics » Tue 20 Jul 2004, 16:53:06

Well, you could sustain yourself for well over a year on human flesh if you lived in a nice Western city... With lots of overweight people, who can't run away fast enough... Raised well on a high-sugar diet... Sorry, I was getting carried away with myself there. I think I really should stop watching the flesh-eating parts of Romero films repeatedly for pleasure.
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All the iron turned to rust
All the proud men turned to dust
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What will I do

Unread postby Sencha » Tue 20 Jul 2004, 20:35:00

The things I will do when I run out of supplies after the crash:
-I'll take my blue katana and my "certain victory" headband. I'll wear the headband and stick my katana through my belt and walk out into the post-oil world.
-I'll set out early 'round 5 a.m., and head to the mall. Once I get there, I'll loot as much as possible. Especially the food court.
-After that I'll probably find some furniture in a store to sleep on till the next day.
-Then I'll go back to my neighborhood and loot house to house.

Since I know about Peak Oil, I'll be able to plan my strikes earlier than most. I'll go to my place of employment (which I dare not mention) and kill some of the staff that have been bothering me. With no law or judicial system intact, I could off anyone I wanted without consequence.

I know that they will still be there after the crash, because they love their money, and they will be hoarding what's left in the safes before leaving for good. Should I be so inclined and I have the means, I'll burn the building down.

When I can no longer sustain myself I will retain my honor and commit seppeku. It will be a bittersweet death, and my last moments on earth knowing that our race has come to end, will bring a sense of closure to my life that no other experience could hope to surpass.

My last thoughts will either be: "Damnit, damnit all to hell!"
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"It's about damn time."
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Unread postby Itch » Tue 20 Jul 2004, 20:51:49

Yeah, what's all this fuss about cannablism being bad, anyway?
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None of you will likely survive the worst

Unread postby PenClicker » Tue 20 Jul 2004, 22:00:38

One thing I have noted about this site is that most posters are urban. Most posters are short sighted, so they reach conclusions like store a years worth of food and then "I will be a survivor". Most posters are young, hence unworldly as was I at that stage in life.

First of all, I would say that this oil shortage will develop in what those with an overview regard as slow motion. The likelyhood of hoards evacuating the baren cities into the source of food countryside is hot a likelyhood until late in the development of this pox upon mankind.

At first, people will stay with what they have, and that will be their homes. It will be too late when most decide to venture out rather than to seek a source of necessities. It is only then where the Mad Max idea will come into play, and at that point the superiority of both firepower and strategy will favor the country geek. If you think that you will gravitate to what you need and somehow secure it, then you are a yeast about to expire.

As a venture into the future, I would estimate that most of the posters on this site are evolutionary dead ends, more intent on expressing their mental energy than making a place for themselves and their progeny.
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Re: None of you will likely survive the worst

Unread postby AlCzervik » Tue 20 Jul 2004, 22:18:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenClicker', 'A')s a venture into the future, I would estimate that most of the posters on this site are evolutionary dead ends, more intent on expressing their mental energy than making a place for themselves and their progeny.

This is a horribly arrogant post. The people on this board are at least aware of the issues and are anticipating how to employ the ideas bandied about up in this mug. What are you doing to effectuate your survivall, other than to flame other posters for their creative, insightful and forward-thinking dialogue?[/img]
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Unread postby Pops » Wed 21 Jul 2004, 01:18:14

“I would estimate that most of the posters on this site are evolutionary dead ends, more intent on expressing their mental energy than making a place for themselves and their progeny.” Do you have any basis to back that estimate or are you simply expressing your own mental energy?
Perhaps you could register and enlighten us? Registration has been fairly simple for us deadenders.
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Re: None of you will likely survive the worst

Unread postby k_semler » Wed 21 Jul 2004, 06:04:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenClicker', 'A')s a venture into the future, I would estimate that most of the posters on this site are evolutionary dead ends, more intent on expressing their mental energy than making a place for themselves and their progeny.


Any incompetent fool can figure out how to engage in sexual intercourse and produce a child. It does not take a genius to breed. A smart person knows their limits, and realizes that the Earth is already overpopulated. Also, children should not be brought into a home that is not ready to support them, nor should they be brought into a world that cannot support even the current population levels. Plus, why should I waste 18 years of my life, and 18 years of wages to bring into this world an ungrateful brat that will not contribute an equivalent return to money invested? Doing so from a strictly economic standpoint would be foolish. It is comparable to investing in Wave systems enterprises when it was trading at $38.72 per share, and pulling your money out at $2.71 per share. It is a negative investment. Having children is a waste of my time, money, and resources that I need for myself. There is no positive gain monetarily in engaging in such a venture. If I saved $200 a month for 18 years, instead of throwing that money away on some child, I would have saved $21,600.00 versus if I waste that money on a child, I would end up spending at least twice that amount just sustaining the child with a reasonable lifestyle for it. The way I look at it, not having children actually pays money, while engaging in the ancient practice of reproduction only costs me money.
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Unread postby OilBurner » Wed 21 Jul 2004, 06:12:55

K,

Whilst I appreciate the sentiment of what you're saying, I find it difficult to understand your negative attitude towards children. Do you not get any pleasure from interacting with them? Do you really believe they're all ungrateful brats? Is that what your parents think of you, do they regret having you and would rather have saved the money to buy a JetSki or something? I doubt it. I suspect your parents are proud of you (if they're still around, apologies if they're not) and don't for a minute regret having you.
That's how it is for most parents - they see the money, time and energy as an investment into a person they love more than any other. Is that so terrible?
As long as we all don't have legions of kids, keeping things in balance is no bad thing IMHumbleO.
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Unread postby k_semler » Wed 21 Jul 2004, 06:47:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilBurner', 'K'), Whilst I appreciate the sentiment of what you're saying, I find it difficult to understand your negative attitude toward children. Do you not get any pleasure from interacting with them?

No I do not. Primarily because my dealing with them has primarily consisted of being in line at the checkout line at the grocery store with a little kid screaming because he wants the big Kit Kat NOW, and the parents will not remove the child from the store to their vehicle. I do not need to be subjected to that pointless wailing, and nor do the rest of the store's customers.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilBurner', 'D')o you really believe they're all ungrateful brats?

At times, yes. I do not believe that any possible personal growth is worth all the expense, worry, hassle, and endless suffering.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilBurner', 'I')s that what your parents think of you, do they regret having you and would rather have saved the money to buy a JetSki or something? I doubt it.

Not to the best of my knowledge, but highly doubt that they would inform me of this fact if it were indeed true. My father has stated that he did not plan on becoming a father, but he has enjoyed it. I doubt the truthfulness of this statement, as I put him though a living hell during my high school years. There were several times in my youth that I became so pissed off at them that I took off in my car and did not come back for a couple days. Just knowing what I did is enough motivation for me never to have children. As a matter of fact, I am considering a vasectomy since my insurance covers it.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilBurner', 'I') suspect your parents are proud of you (if they're still around, apologies if they're not) and don't for a minute regret having you.

I have no idea what they have to be proud of. I am only a lowly custodian making a measly $22,000 a year. My job is good, and benefits are great only because I am employed at WSU, but I have fallen short of my expectations of where I would be by now, and I know that I am capable of much more. Considering that I am not even proud of myself, I highly doubt that my parents are proud of me. After all, I believe that the saying that says "you must love yourself before you are capable of loving others" also implies that in order for others to love you, you must love yourself. My opinion of myself falls just short of disgust, so how can anybody else that I personally know have a much higher opinion of me?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilBurner', 'T')hat's how it is for most parents - they see the money, time and energy as an investment into a person they love more than any other. Is that so terrible?

If they are fully knowledgeable about the costs both financially and personally but still wish to raise children, then I see nothing wrong with them desiring to do so, as long as they have the means at their disposal to fully satisfy the needs of a growing child, both physically and emotionally. I do not think I would be fit to be a parent, so therefore I have made the decision to abstain from having that experience enter my life. Caring for animals takes up enough of my time, I would have no idea where to start gaining enough time to care for the animals, property and a child unless the length of a day on this earth were extended to 36 hours.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilBurner', 'A')s long as we all don't have legions of kids, keeping things in balance is no bad thing IMHumbleO.
Different strokes for different folks as my mother used to say. That is why they have different flavors of coffee, different brands of beer, different brands of cars, many different homes available, and many different careers. Different people get excited by different things. I only see the potential costs to me for raising a child, or several children, and my assumed abilities to care for a dependent child, and I am completely convinced that parenthood is not for me. I am perfectly content going to work, and coming home to care for the property and animals. I am satisfied with my current status of a single non-parent, and I do not intend to change that in the foreseeable future.
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Unread postby OilBurner » Wed 21 Jul 2004, 07:03:20

K, I think it's sad that you rate yourself by your salary and job position. It sounds to me like your self-esteem is low. I don't know why that might be, as you seem an intelligent person with lots to offer the world. Believe me, making lots of money doesn't make you a better person than the next guy. That's a fallacy that leads us all into misery because there's always someone better off than you, unless you're Bill Gates, of course. I bet even he wishes he could acheive more!
If your parents aren't proud of you then I'd be very surprised. More fool them.

I understand what you're saying about your experience of other peoples kids - there's some very bad parenting out there leading to same pain in the ass kids. But not all kids are like that, the good well behaved lovable ones tend to go unnoticed because they're not causing trouble!! :)

I don't think there's any need to cut those tubes though. What's wrong with ordinary contraception in case you change your mind? Still, it's your choice. Make sure it's the right one!
You think you're not fit to be a parent - you're well aware of some of the idiots that spawn whole tribes of actual brats. I'd rather see intelligent people like you spreading their DNA than some of those inbreed sheep out there.
I never thought I could be a parent either - I used to be irresponsible and selfish. Now though, I'm gonna be a Dad in Novemeber and I've never been more ready. Sometimes it takes time to feel that way, a lot of time in fact.
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Unread postby k_semler » Wed 21 Jul 2004, 07:41:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilBurner', 'K'), I think it's sad that you rate yourself by your salary and job position. It sounds to me like your self-esteem is low. I don't know why that might be, as you seem an intelligent person with lots to offer the world. Believe me, making lots of money doesn't make you a better person than the next guy. That's a fallacy that leads us all into misery because there's always someone better off than you, unless you're Bill Gates, of course. I bet even he wishes he could achieve more! If your parents aren't proud of you then I'd be very surprised. More fool them.

If I am not to rate my value as a person by the amount of funds that I acquire, or my position in this corporatist society known as modern civilization, then by which means should I place value on myself? Yes, I know how to to a variety of tasks, and I perform well at may tasks that I undertake, but without financial gain, or advancement in status professionally, what value have I really gained?

Plus, no matter what I do or do not accomplish, unless it is very beneficial to humanity, or very negative to the future of humanity, I will be forgotten 50 years after my death. As such, I am desperately seeking a point to life, as once the slide down the back of Hubbert's peak begins to take place, there will be no room for advancement, and also unemployment will likely be in my future. I have had a hard enough time finding a purpose to my existence so far in life, and if the industrial society that I have become accustomed to should end, then all point to my life will be unknown to me. A far as I am concerned, my value of a person is directly linked to what I contribute to society. I guess what I am seeking is the true purpose to life. I am sure that God has his plan for my future, but I wish I knew what it is, because I am having a very difficult time trying to figure it out on my own.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilBurner', 'I') understand what you're saying about your experience of other peoples kids - there's some very bad parenting out there leading to same pain in the ass kids. But not all kids are like that, the good well behaved lovable ones tend to go unnoticed because they're not causing trouble!! :)

Good point, I really have not thought about it that way. After all, children are only a product of their upbringing. Bad parenting renders badly behaved children, just as quality parenting and a stable environment contribute to a well balanced and capable child.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilBurner', 'I') don't think there's any need to cut those tubes though. What's wrong with ordinary contraception in case you change your mind? Still, it's your choice. Make sure it's the right one!

That is the primary reason why I have not done that yet. The permanence of a vasectomy is my primary reason for not exercising this option. Contraception is freely reversible, and can resume at any time. I am currently practicing the ultimate form of contraception, known as abstinence. It is proven very effective so far, and I suspect it will continue to be effective. The last time I checked, self pleasure cannot lead to pregnancy. :)
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilBurner', 'Y')ou think you're not fit to be a parent - you're well aware of some of the idiots that spawn whole tribes of actual brats. I'd rather see intelligent people like you spreading their DNA than some of those inbreed sheep out there.

Thanks, I guess. :) The primary reason I am doubtful of my capability of parenting is primarily because I have no skills in the area of parenting, and my feeling to those individuals who let their children wail in the grocery store over a king-size Kit Kat. I do not really think that I should be responsible for a child when I still have the occasional feeling of rage at other persons for their lack of parenting skills. Anger does very little to contribute to a logical solution to a problem.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilBurner', 'I') never thought I could be a parent either - I used to be irresponsible and selfish. Now though, I'm gonna be a Dad in November and I've never been more ready. Sometimes it takes time to feel that way, a lot of time in fact.
Good point, maybe in 30 years, I will feel that I am ready to be a parent, but until I am able to deal with the awesome responsibility of becoming a parent, and have the financial means to support a child, I feel that I should abstain from doing so.
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Unread postby Cool Hand Linc » Wed 21 Jul 2004, 07:50:22

chock! cough! puke!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ll who come may board my yacht, and there will more than enough for everyone. Do not doubt me, my children, for we shall all become Breatharians. Do not listen to those silly folk who refuse to believe. If we lovingly bind our spirits, maybe we can save the world from die-off too. Oh, my yacht is fully stocked alright, fully stocked with love, and joy, an...

That was so sweet........puke again
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Unread postby Aaron » Wed 21 Jul 2004, 08:15:35

I have found that as long as I was focused on the end-game, my rewards for doing... whatever, I have felt unsatisfied.

If something must be "good for me personally" to be appreciated, I miss lots of stuff which does not make the grade. (like kids for example)

I share your misgivings about kids, about almost everyone. In my experience people are just as double-sided as everything else. For every trait I come to admire in a person, there is always something else about them I think sucks... this includes myself.

Name anything you consider worthy, good, beneficial or desirable... It'll take about 2 minutes for us to identify the suck which is included in the coolness found there. It's the same for things that suck... including kids.

An intelligent, articulate custodian who keeps going despite feeling depressed at his lot in life & has the courage to voice it here in public?

As far as I'm concerned, that makes you my freakin hero buddy.

And I would echo OB's message and say that your obvious intellect and passion sets you miles above most sheeple I know, and almost obligates you to pass your gift to a new generation.

None of this is forever... success is temporary and failure is fleeting. Only the journey itself has any real substance; everything else is pure imagination. I imagine I'll fail or succeed.. in the future. I imagine I have failed or succeeded in the past. Only what is happening right now is reality... that other stuff is just window dressing.

Trapped at the bottom of a well which is our lives, we only see a small round patch of sky above us. Funny that the same ability to imagine which has me believing in some "solid state" past or future that does not really exist, is the same vehicle I use to understand that the little patch of sky I see is not the whole thing.

I say go ahead and laugh & cry as you will... just remember to notice the texture of these events as they float by your window...

This is not a rehearsal... take a risk... be bold and brave. Laugh in the face of danger... Why not? Afraid you'll end up as a custodian?

The truth is, there is no answer. And everyone who claims there is an answer, is just reassuring themselves...

"Life moves pretty fast... If you're not careful, you could miss it."

"I could of missed the pain... but I'd of had to miss the dance."

And of course...

"Relax... you're soaking in it."
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Unread postby OilBurner » Wed 21 Jul 2004, 09:00:08

Wow, free group therapy Isn't this place great!! :lol:
Stick with it K, I'm sure your talents will be ever more important in these difficult and changing times. Hey stop chucking up at the back there Link!! :D Nice post Aaron, what a great summary of the human condition. I feel all peaced out now.. 8)
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