[Chicagoan]

This forum is being watched. I don't think this is a very smart topic. Futhermore, if someone is lurking here and sees this thread he/she might be turned away.

[Agren]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his forum is being watched. I don't think this is a very smart topic.

[Chicagoan]

You don't scream fire in a crowded movie theatre. It is just common sense.

[k_semler]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chicagoan', 'T')his forum is being watched. I don't think this is a very smart topic. Furthermore, if someone is lurking here and sees this thread he/she might be turned away.

[pepper2000]

A terror plot that I think is reasonably likely.

A suicide bomber gets a truck full of fertilizer, like what McVeigh used, and drives it full speed into the Sears Tower or some place like that. Recall that the original plan to destroy the World Trade Center involved a truck bomb.

[pea-jay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') suicide bomber gets a truck full of fertilizer, like what McVeigh used, and drives it full speed into the Sears Tower or some place like that. Recall that the original plan to destroy the World Trade Center involved a truck bomb.

[k_semler]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pepper2000', 'A') terror plot that I think is reasonably likely.

A suicide bomber gets a truck full of fertilizer, like what McVeigh used, and drives it full speed into the Sears Tower or some place like that. Recall that the original plan to destroy the World Trade Center involved a truck bomb.

[pea-jay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')emolishing Grand Coulée Dam, Hoover Dam, and Dworshack dam simultaneously would also be a good way to cause panic and economic disaster.

[lowem]

Wasn't it shown in detail in the Tom Clancy movie "The Sum of All Fears"? The one with Ben Affleck, though personally I prefer the ones with Harrison Ford ...

If I remember correctly : you put a nuke in a vending machine, install the machine in the basement of a stadium where there's going to be a big game going on ...

And then there's the one in "The Rock" with Sean Connery and Nicholas Cage, where you steal a bunch of rockets equipped with VX chemical warheads, aim them at a stadium (see, again it's a stadium).

All that terrorists need to do is to watch the movies ...

Oh, I gotta mention "Speed" too, where you have a bus, and ....

[k_semler]

Non nuclear destruction could be accomplished by launching several GBU-28/B missiles at the structure you wish to penetrate. If that does not adequately satisfy the needed destruction, then there is always the B61-11. Now the only difficulty is how would a terrorist procure the means to launch such an attack? I cannot imagine a terrorist group commandeering a F-16 or B-2, and even if they did, they would be eliminated as soon as our airspace were violated. This would more likely be employed by an organized military than a terrorist group.

[Freud]

Physical terrorism is old hat....

Information acts are far more deadly, precise, and huge.


With a well placed smear tactic, one could affect economics, perceptions, and have people turn on themselves and do far more damage than some yahoo with a suicide wish.

I'd say the pen, and the soundbite are the deadliest.

[pepper2000]

Freud, that sounds like what Lyndon LaRouche is doing. Fortunately, he's creating more laughts than fear.

[Freud]

maybe so..... but his cred has been ruined and he's high profile.


I'm talking about manipulating the world conscienceness with acts such as beheadings or alternately military posturing and using the sound/video bites, written statements to influence far more change than what actually transpired physically.


It's the difference between a man with an ak shooting randomly in a crowd or a sniper picking off targets and loving the paranoia it creates...


Add some writings or statements and you have a basket of basket cases copying, and civilians hysterical beyond rational normality.


Governments do this to their own peoples and the peoples of the world.... watch closely... the enemy is returning the favour.


Ask yourself how so few people dying has created such a monumental change on nearly every level.


We're pawns, plain and simple.

[Deleterius]

'' We're pawns, plain and simple.''
Freud

i assume that fact and i agree .....


but nevertheless ill keep trying going to the end of the boardgame and pick up a Queen...

[k_semler]

Yes, Minitrue is very thorough in correcting misprints in newspapers. Our chocolate ration actually increased to 20 grams per week, it has not dropped. Miniplenty has exceeded their quota for the third quarter of the second five year plan.

Oceania, (US and allies), is at war with Eastasia, (in 1984 it was china and allies, I change it to the middle east). We have always been at war with Eastasia. Eastasia has also procured nuclear weapons, and is posed to launch against Oceania. However, the Oceania alliance with Eurasia, (EU and allies), will surely deliver a crushing blow to our enemy. For the protection of Ingsoc, (the American Way/Freedom/Democracy), we must crush the enemy of Eastasia.

In preparation for Hate Week, Minitrue will be distributing information concerning Eastasia's plan to overthrow Big Brother and the beloved Ingsoc. Please be advised that this information will be available at every museum, police station, and via Telescreen.

[Phil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lowem', '.')..aim them at a stadium (see, again it's a stadium).

[bentstrider]

Y'all remember that show with Jessica Alba called "Dark Dev, er Angel"?
The main reason for the country being in the toilet was an EMP device.
If set off in the right area, you could pretty much grind everything to a halt.
People with ECU/fuel injected vehicles would be left with a paperweight.
Mass communication would be fried like an eggroll.
Electrical power grids would be smoked out.
Then you can take you're backwoods militia and mow down everything in your path with your fleet of early 70's pick-ups and low-tech diesels.
If you got planes from WW1 and 2, those would work just fine after the EMP as well.

[born2respawn]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'W')hat weapon would you use?
I'm partial to the AK-74 myself.

[Freud]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('born2respawn', '
')
Fortunately the world's terrorists think in terms of TV spectaculars rather than long term, and look where it got them.

[gg3]

Suitcase nuke (or larger) within blast-damage radius of a nuclear power plant or chemical refinery. As I've said elsewhere, that's a force multiplier, with the added impact that a fear-crazed population trying to evacuate, would probably turn against any police/military/etc. who were trying to manage the evacuation routes in a sane manner.

Or, simultaneously, truck-bombings at three major shopping malls across the country (one East coast, one Midwest, one West coast) on the day after Thanksgiving. This would scare the shit out of the Holiday Shopping Season, and cause an economic depression.


Here's one, and I doubt anyone's going to come up with something worse that's even remotely feasible:

Wait for the next ebola outbreak. Send a couple of suicide terrs into the affected area as "charity workers." Have them make physical contact with ebola victims, thereby picking up the virus. Then, in the two weeks or so before they become symptomatic, they start flying all over the world, making sure to make casual physical contact with as many people on as many planes and in as many cities as possible.

At some point, they start showing symptoms themselves, but they keep making casual contacts. At some point, they get sick enough that they can't walk around easily, and this is the point at which each checks himself into a hospital emergency room. The medics don't realize what they're seeing, so they end up casually touching the terrs also, thereby picking it up. And then, each of the terrs, before the virus starts attacking their brains, calls up a radio or TV station (preferably a talk show) saying "Surprise!" and explaining what was done, and talking about all the cities they have visited to spread it around.

At this point you have two or three secondary and tertiary levels of contact & infection progressing like waves through the population. And the moment the news gets out, you have mass panic. And the moment the first secondary case presents to the hospital, you have mass panic on a scale never before seen. Even if the total casualty count didn't exceed a few tens of thousands, or even a few hundred thousands, the panic would be enough to shut America and Western Europe down for a month or two, at which point their economies are in the dumpster and their populations are permanently traumatized.

And yeah, I do hope that DHS is reading this board.

By the way, the simple & effective countermeasure to the above, is one-month quarantine for anyone coming out of an ebola hot zone. WHO and various aid organizations should take that step immediately.

Idea for a short story: OBL sends terrs into an ebola zone, but just as they think they're about to go out and spread it around, they get caught in the one-month quarantine, and divulge all of Al Qaeda's secrets as the virus eats them alive. Then they go noisily, messily insane, and die miserable deaths of multiple organ failure and hemmorhage. Hmm, I think I'll see about writing this one.... (all rights reserved)