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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 06:11:19

I gotta ask, what are you guys going to do with all those beans? Do any of you actually do a lot of cooking with beans? Or is that a just incase kind of thing? As in you'll eat it if you have to.
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.

Unread postby IslandCrow » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 06:29:15

Two more basic plans. Sorry I cannot price them at Wal-Mart as we do not have the pleasure of one anywhere near:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')DS Suggested Amounts of Basic Foods for Home Storeage
per adult for one year. This list may vary according to location

Grains 400 lbs (180 kg) (eg. Wheat, rice, corn, rolled oats, spaghetti)
legumes 60 lbs (27 kg)
powdered milk 16 lbs (7 kg)
cooking oil 10 qts (9 l)
sugar or honey 60 lbs (27 kg)
salt 8 lbs (3,6 kg)


And in keeping with the OP of being cheap (something I got off a site relating to bird flu):

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')o exist only on rice and beans (3 times a day) for 6 months, a family of 4 would need:

12 bags of 50-lbs rice
135 lbs of beans
18 qts of cooking oil
8 bottles of vitamins (10 tablets)

As your budget allows add the following to your stockpile
dried milk, evaporated milk
vegetables (canned or dehydrated)
Fruits (canned, dried or dehydrated)
Meat (canned, dried)
Spaghetti and other pasta
Oatmeal
soup mixes
sugar
baking mix to make biscuits and pancakes
ingredients to make bread: flour, dry mild, fast-rising dry yeast, sugar, salt shortening
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.

Unread postby skyemoor » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 06:41:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'I') gotta ask, what are you guys going to do with all those beans? Do any of you actually do a lot of cooking with beans? Or is that a just incase kind of thing? As in you'll eat it if you have to.


Storable grains are inexpensive and can keep a long time with oxygen absorbers and mylar containers, hence are a favorite storable food with some. However they are low in some amino acids required for full protein.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')It's a myth that vegetarians need to eat special combinations of plant foods to meet protein needs. Also, you don't need to eat animal products to have enough protein in your diet. Plant proteins alone can provide enough of the essential and non-essential amino acids, as long as sources of dietary protein are varied and caloric intake is high enough to meet energy needs.

Whole grains, legumes, vegetables, seeds and nuts all contain both essential and non-essential amino acids. Particular combinations of plant foods -- specifically grains with legumes -- boost the availability of protein from these foods. But newer understanding of protein nutrition shows that it isn't necessary to eat these food combinations at the same meal. You don't need to consciously combine these foods (complementary proteins) within a given meal. The key to getting adequate protein is to eat a variety of foods throughout the day, including high-protein foods like legumes and soy products, and to meet calorie needs.

As for the glycemic index, the glycemic index of corn tortillas and beans is anywhere from 30 to 50 depending on how they are prepared and what kind they are. It would be a complicated process to figure out the percent of usable protein.
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 07:06:16

I get that. What I am curious about is how you are going to eat them... grind them up in flour? eat nothing but baked beans? BAked beans in what? oil? Salt? yeast? Honey?

How specifically are you planning on preparing your 75lbs of beans that you are planning on storing? CAuse I don't see anything on these lists that would make beans more palatable...
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 07:26:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'I') get that. What I am curious about is how you are going to eat them... grind them up in flour? eat nothing but baked beans? BAked beans in what? oil? Salt? yeast? Honey?

How specifically are you planning on preparing your 75lbs of beans that you are planning on storing? CAuse I don't see anything on these lists that would make beans more palatable...


When you get hungry enough, dried beans soaked overnight in water and boiled up will taste like a Gourmet meal from Lutece. Good idea of course to have some Salt stored up to season it with. If you are close enough to the Ocean, you can boil it in Salt Water.

Certainly, anybody who has a supply of dried beans and rice needs a good cook around to make it tastier. Grow some Garlic and Basil. Pick some wild herbs. My dear friend Suzy Homemaker is the person I will depend on to turn my staples into a delicious meal, she can make ANYTHING taste good.

Honestly though, nothing tastes better to me than fresh meat or fish barbecued over an open flame. Some people might suffer boredom from a nonstop diet of Mooseburgers and Salmon grilled over a wood fire, this is NOT a problem for me at all :-) A few vitamin pills and the occasionaly Red Potato out of a local farm should do me OK thru to 2012. After that, either we worked our way thru this mess to something sustainable, or 99.99% of us will be pushing up daisies anyhow, so I am not all that worried about making my diet perfectly balanced or perfectly healthy, and I wouldn't worry too much about pesticides in cottonseed oil either if that was the ony fat around I had left to eat.

I just hope that if it really gets BAD, that Suzie Homemaker can find a way to season ME up and make me taste good as a meal for my friends. Hopefully I will taste OK barbecued over an open fire though. LOL.

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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.

Unread postby Quinny » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 07:40:35

Beans cooked slowly wit a bit of salt and some kind of fat are really tasty. They generate a lot of power as well ;)


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'I') get that. What I am curious about is how you are going to eat them... grind them up in flour? eat nothing but baked beans? BAked beans in what? oil? Salt? yeast? Honey?

How specifically are you planning on preparing your 75lbs of beans that you are planning on storing? CAuse I don't see anything on these lists that would make beans more palatable...
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 07:47:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'I') get that. What I am curious about is how you are going to eat them... grind them up in flour? eat nothing but baked beans? BAked beans in what? oil? Salt? yeast? Honey?

How specifically are you planning on preparing your 75lbs of beans that you are planning on storing? CAuse I don't see anything on these lists that would make beans more palatable...


I like baked beans but afterwards the people behind me don't like me. :)
The traditional recipe for 2 lbs of beans calls for 3/4 cup of sugar, molassess or maple syurp in whatever combination you have or like. Thats 3/4 total not each. Also a half pound of salt pork or venison, a small onion, dry mustard pepper and salt(if not using salt pork.) Soak the beans overnight put in bean pot with other ingredents and bake overnight in the wood stove oven. Good eating for three days unless you have a crowd. Other cultures serve rice and beans boiled together and of course there is texmex refried beans. Things like sugar and molasses don't make a $300 or $500 dollar list as they are wants ,not must haves, but the next $100 dollars spent would include a lot of spices, yeast, baking powder/soda sugar ,coffee, powdered milk etc..
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 07:55:27

Thanks for the recipe. I'm gonna go home and cook up a batch tonight and see what its like.
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.

Unread postby JJ » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 09:20:48

cooked a pot of beans, some mixed greens from the garden, a skillet of cornbread. UMMMM, a feast. My kid said, "daddy, is this all we're having for dinner?"..... arrrrgggghhhh
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.

Unread postby duke » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 10:19:43

Missing on the bean list is...beano and big time :):)

However on the other hand if some of these bean eaters could somehow harness the by product and pipe it from them to their furnace the could heat their home? Or run the stoce top to cook some more beans?

Variety is our belief...life is to short to eat just cake...or beans...or dried meat. Why chose one when with a little planning on your own you can have it all?

Anyway to each it's own and we sure hope we never need to dive into those survival food sources. By the way every several months we need to through out certain store bought canned goods as the older ones we failed to rotate start to expand and leak...50 years or more???
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.

Unread postby patience » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 10:40:03

vtsnowedin,

Sorry it took so long to get back to you, but my wife has been sick-better now.

We dry-salted hams, bacon, shoulders, and jowls, with a layer of salt/sugar mixture under and on top of the meat, adding more salt as it is absorbed. Leave in the salt for 2 day per inch of thickness of the piece. The result is a very dry, very salty product, and yes, it requires soaking over night in water to rehydraate and reduce the salt content before cooking.

In a humid climate like south Indiana, meat may begin to mold in warm, wet spring weather, but kept dry, it will keep for several months.
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.

Unread postby DomusAlbion » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 11:57:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skyemoor', 'D')A, you're ahead of us. A cow can provide quite a bit of milk; do you plan on selling the remainder, and/or making cheese? Have you considered dairy goats?


The calf will take much of the milk before it is weaned, some will go to us for milk, cream and butter. The rest will go to the pigs We will not pasturize the milk but we will have the cow certified by the state to produce "raw" milk. Several neighbors have voiced an interest in buying the milk, but we will not sell to the general public, just barter with neighbors.

An example of the barter we're trying to achieve. I've just made a deal with our farrier. We've got a gilt that with birth in a month or so. We will reserve a piglet for him and raise it up to slaughter weight in exchange for his work on our horses over a period of time. No money changes hands, yet both parties benefit.
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.

Unread postby RedStateGreen » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 13:00:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'I') gotta ask, what are you guys going to do with all those beans? Do any of you actually do a lot of cooking with beans? Or is that a just incase kind of thing? As in you'll eat it if you have to.

Beans are great if they're cooked properly. The biggest cause of GI distress with beans is undercooking.
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.

Unread postby RedStateGreen » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 13:02:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'I') get that. What I am curious about is how you are going to eat them... grind them up in flour? eat nothing but baked beans? BAked beans in what? oil? Salt? yeast? Honey?

How specifically are you planning on preparing your 75lbs of beans that you are planning on storing? CAuse I don't see anything on these lists that would make beans more palatable...


The other night I put some leftover BBQ ribs and a can of black beans in the crockpot for a few hours. It was extremely delicious over rice; even my bean-hating kids liked it.
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 13:28:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('patience', 'v')tsnowedin,

Sorry it took so long to get back to you, but my wife has been sick-better now.

We dry-salted hams, bacon, shoulders, and jowls, with a layer of salt/sugar mixture under and on top of the meat, adding more salt as it is absorbed. Leave in the salt for 2 day per inch of thickness of the piece. The result is a very dry, very salty product, and yes, it requires soaking over night in water to rehydraate and reduce the salt content before cooking.

In a humid climate like south Indiana, meat may begin to mold in warm, wet spring weather, but kept dry, it will keep for several months.


Not a problem. Glad to hear she is better.

I've tryed dry salt and soaking in brine but don't like the excess saltyness of dry salt and brine can be fussy. I think I will try injecting like the commercial plants do it now. less time, easier to get to the center of the thick pieces and less chance of missed or spoiled spots. Maybe I'll buy a fresh pork shoulder to give it a try on. I hate to have a learning curve with two pigs hanging from the hooks.
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.

Unread postby spear » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 13:32:34

Other protein sources are powdered eggs and powdered milk.Now you can make an omelet.
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.

Unread postby frankthetank » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 15:23:04

Just thinking... If a person needed a lot of calories and just wanted to survive... Then fat would be your best bet. Just eat a spoonful of fat everyday and then eat vitamins/and other fruit/veggie/etc you can get your mouth around :)

Your body has a method of running on JUST fat. Its actually been shown as a method to beat cancer in certain cases (cancer feeds on sugars...). Its called the "warburg effect"...
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.

Unread postby Cog » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 15:35:42

Based on the guidance from Seahorse:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ased on all the naysayers, I'm modifying this original post to make a challenge. Here's the challenge. Get a $500 budget and tell people exactly what to buy, in what quanties, give the storage life, and it has to involve no storage preparation, meaning, a person stores it as it is bought.


My thinking was to maximize fat and calories so I went to a regular grocery store and compared prices:

Spam 1080 calories/can/12oz

100 cans X1080 calories per can Price $2/can=$200

108000 calories

1680 calories/lb Spaghetti

100 lbs X $1.20/lb $120.00

168000 calories


White sugar

1700 calories/ lb

1700X20lbs= 34000 calories

20 lbs X $.61/lb= $12.20

One gallon vegetable oil 30720 calories

$9.89/gallon

pinto beans 1170 calories per dry lb weight beans X70lbs

81900 calories for 70 lbs $1/lb= $70

white rice 1500 calories per lb dry weight X 87lbs = 130500 calories

$1/lb or $87


Total cost= $499.09

Total Calories= 553120 calories

1515 calories/day

Now since most people eat around 2500 calories a day, you are going to lose weight on this amount of calories. You will also need vitamin C as these food stuffs have none. The salt you need is handled by the Spam. I've realized that I need more food by doing this challenge. But if was in an emergency and had only $500 this is what I would buy
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 16:54:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'B')ased on the guidance from Seahorse:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ased on all the naysayers, I'm modifying this original post to make a challenge. Here's the challenge. Get a $500 budget and tell people exactly what to buy, in what quanties, give the storage life, and it has to involve no storage preparation, meaning, a person stores it as it is bought.


My thinking was to maximize fat and calories so I went to a regular grocery store and compared prices:

Spam 1080 calories/can/12oz

100 cans X1080 calories per can Price $2/can=$200

108000 calories

1680 calories/lb Spaghetti

100 lbs X $1.20/lb $120.00

168000 calories


White sugar

1700 calories/ lb

1700X20lbs= 34000 calories

20 lbs X $.61/lb= $12.20

One gallon vegetable oil 30720 calories

$9.89/gallon

pinto beans 1170 calories per dry lb weight beans X70lbs

81900 calories for 70 lbs $1/lb= $70

white rice 1500 calories per lb dry weight X 87lbs = 130500 calories

$1/lb or $87


Total cost= $499.09

Total Calories= 553120 calories

1515 calories/day

Now since most people eat around 2500 calories a day, you are going to lose weight on this amount of calories. You will also need vitamin C as these food stuffs have none. The salt you need is handled by the Spam. I've realized that I need more food by doing this challenge. But if was in an emergency and had only $500 this is what I would buy


No No No.... you have to look at the cost per calories. your spam purchase is a high priced waste. $200 bucks for only 108000 calories. Look at rice and beans on a calories per dollar basis and think it out again. :)
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Re: One year food supply, one person, at Wal-Mart $300.

Unread postby Cog » Sat 13 Dec 2008, 17:06:58

If you have ever ate just plain rice and plain beans you would know why I spent the extra money on the Spam. 8)
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